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(@mj_gilbert)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Bob Michaels

One thing about the fork in the outlet scene that raised a doubt in my mind is something that could just be an inaccuracy or may be meaningful.  Dougie put the fork in the the left slot, which is the neutral connection.  The right slot is the live (or hot) one and the lower, centered connector is ground.  If the house/outlet is wired properly, he would get no shock from that part of the outlet.   My guess is that it's just a small error, but with all the small details that seem to end up being important I thought it was worth mentioning.

 

 

Ah, you crazy Americans and your stone age wiring.

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AMERICA HAS THE GREATEST WIRING IN THE WORLD. IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!! ENVY THE MAJESTY OF OUR MIGHTY WIRING!!!

You know, like our health care, and our political system.

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Posted : 21/08/2017 11:33 pm
(@caoimhin)
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Posted : 21/08/2017 11:38 pm
(@karen_paynter)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Bob Michaels

One thing about the fork in the outlet scene that raised a doubt in my mind is something that could just be an inaccuracy or may be meaningful.  Dougie put the fork in the the left slot, which is the neutral connection.  The right slot is the live (or hot) one and the lower, centered connector is ground.  If the house/outlet is wired properly, he would get no shock from that part of the outlet.   My guess is that it's just a small error, but with all the small details that seem to end up being important I thought it was worth mentioning.

 

 

Ah, you crazy Americans and your stone age wiring.

😉

Basically the same except for the voltage level used.

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Posted : 21/08/2017 11:53 pm
(@mark_chamberlain_stevens)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

Is it possible to kill yourself with US house current? It's half our voltage for one thing, and I'd guess they have breakers on all the house wiring.

Trust me, mate, it could be easily done....we'll just put some bleachers out in the sun and hold it on highway 61..... In all seriousness, it can stop your heart rather quickly.

 

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Posted : 22/08/2017 1:15 am
(@bewareofbob)
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I've been worried for several characters by now, but I'm totally cool about DougieCoop surviving. Although I did feel a little jolt (ha) when I saw him with the fork. I was like, "Surely he's NOT going to... oh, ok."

I think Janey-E screamed for the sudden noise and flash of light. Interesting to hear Sonny Jim's voice, too.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 6:02 am
(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: Karen
Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Bob Michaels

One thing about the fork in the outlet scene that raised a doubt in my mind is something that could just be an inaccuracy or may be meaningful.  Dougie put the fork in the the left slot, which is the neutral connection.  The right slot is the live (or hot) one and the lower, centered connector is ground.  If the house/outlet is wired properly, he would get no shock from that part of the outlet.   My guess is that it's just a small error, but with all the small details that seem to end up being important I thought it was worth mentioning.

 

 

Ah, you crazy Americans and your stone age wiring.

😉

Basically the same except for the voltage level used.

Nope.  All our sockets are shuttered.  It's impossible to stick anything into the live or neutral side without first opening them by sticking something into the ground slot.

You can't just stick a fork into one of them and get a shock.  Even if you opened the shutters and stuck something in the supply slots, the breakers would trip out before you got any dangerous current.

 

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Posted : 22/08/2017 6:16 am
(@buttercup)
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Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey

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Posted : 22/08/2017 8:08 am
(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: buttercup
Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey

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Posted : 22/08/2017 8:26 am
(@bob_michaels)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted ........

Nope.  All our sockets are shuttered.  It's impossible to stick anything into the live or neutral side without first opening them by sticking something into the ground slot.

You can't just stick a fork into one of them and get a shock.  Even if you opened the shutters and stuck something in the supply slots, the breakers would trip out before you got any dangerous current.

 

Not to belabor the point, but I saw a YT video a while back about why the British electrical socket wiring is the best (really, there is such a video).  Several important design features such as the shutters and plugs wiring in such a way that the ground being the last to break away.  Here in the states we didn't even use (or have) a ground prong on many outlets for a long time and even still many items are only two-prong (sans ground).  As far as the point about the breakers tripping and shocks, most outlets are limited only by breakers that are there to trip in the event of an overload or short circuit (typically 15-30 amps), which would do nothing to prevent electrocution.  Only fairly recently have electrical codes required GFCI outlets (that do protect against shocks) but only for use near water, such as in bathrooms.

I will give the British the nod for electrical outlets, but we own them as far as faucets go (who needs two at every sink?) LOL.

I'm sure Cooper is OK - just a question of to what extent.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 9:26 am
(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: Bob Michaels
Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted ........

Nope.  All our sockets are shuttered.  It's impossible to stick anything into the live or neutral side without first opening them by sticking something into the ground slot.

You can't just stick a fork into one of them and get a shock.  Even if you opened the shutters and stuck something in the supply slots, the breakers would trip out before you got any dangerous current.

 

Not to belabor the point, but I saw a YT video a while back about why the British electrical socket wiring is the best (really, there is such a video).  Several important design features such as the shutters and plugs wiring in such a way that the ground being the last to break away.  Here in the states we didn't even use (or have) a ground prong on many outlets for a long time and even still many items are only two-prong (sans ground).  As far as the point about the breakers tripping and shocks, most outlets are limited only by breakers that are there to trip in the event of an overload or short circuit (typically 15-30 amps), which would do nothing to prevent electrocution.  Only fairly recently have electrical codes required GFCI outlets (that do protect against shocks) but only for use near water, such as in bathrooms.

I will give the British the nod for electrical outlets, but we own them as far as faucets go (who needs two at every sink?) LOL.

I'm sure Cooper is OK - just a question of to what extent.

Two at every sink?  Not everywhere but I think it's a good idea.  Gimme some credit for knowing my stuff on this; my dad was a plumber.

There's a lot to be said for being able to run a tap - not faucet - and get fresh, clear water immediately, rather than wating for the pipes to flush out all the horrible manky tanked water from the hot water side.

Building regs here state that all domestic cold water has to be suitable for drinking and must come from the rising main.  If you have a mixer at the outlet, there's a risk of contaminants from the hot supply.  Separate taps go a long way to alleviate this.

That said, my kitchen sink tap is a mixer.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 9:36 am
(@100monkeys)
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Posted by: MJ Gilbert
Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Bob Michaels

One thing about the fork in the outlet scene that raised a doubt in my mind is something that could just be an inaccuracy or may be meaningful.  Dougie put the fork in the the left slot, which is the neutral connection.  The right slot is the live (or hot) one and the lower, centered connector is ground.  If the house/outlet is wired properly, he would get no shock from that part of the outlet.   My guess is that it's just a small error, but with all the small details that seem to end up being important I thought it was worth mentioning.

 

 

Ah, you crazy Americans and your stone age wiring.

😉

AMERICA HAS THE GREATEST WIRING IN THE WORLD. IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!! ENVY THE MAJESTY OF OUR MIGHTY WIRING!!!

You know, like our health care, and our political system.

It's great wiring, fantastic wiring ! it's true !

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Posted : 22/08/2017 3:58 pm
(@caoimhin)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: buttercup
Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey

Make Our Wiring Great Again!

This is my favorite.

Bigly!

I ma eht ylgiB

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Posted : 22/08/2017 7:20 pm
(@lynn_watson)
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- and to answer the question about electric fences - V=IR, so Voltage = Current x Resistance

In an electric fence, the current is tiny & the resistance is massive - so the voltage is huge.  Our electric fence (to keep chickens on one side, fox on the other) is around 10 000 volts.  It's the current which kills you - so it's safe, but you can get a bit of a thump if you're not wearing rubber-soled shoes when you touch it.  Or you drop a roll of chicken wire on it & it gets tangled.  Or you trip & fall onto it.

Never a dull moment in my back garden...

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Posted : 22/08/2017 7:32 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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It always helps if you have dry skin when getting electric shocks.  Luckily, I inherited that from my dad.  Had my first shock as a kid, when I stuck my fingers in a light socket.  Felt like something bit me and I couldn't understand why my parents were angry at my grandparents for having a lamp with no bulb plugged in and switched on.  Now, of course, I understand why.

Had several more since then, some of them from industrial mains, which while not particularly nice, didn't cause any injuries.

Needless to say, I take a plug in RCD with me in my gig box, since some venues have very dodgy wiring.  Being a guitarist and singer means you're much more likely to get fried.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 7:39 pm
(@lynn_watson)
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'Dry' and having a garden in Scotland tend to be mutually exclusive events...

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