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It's very unlikely that Gersten Hayward will not appear again, given that Alicia Witt has a long history of working with Lynch (she played Alia in DUNE and Diane in Blackout) and he originally created the role as a favor to her. Also, her triangle with Becky and Steven Burnett is bound to be brought to some sort of development or resolution, Lynch and Frost would not have started it otherwise.  As for Donna, I heard that they tried to get Lara Flynn Boyle but she wanted too much.  Lynch told reporters that if they wanted to know why she wasn't in it they should ask her.  Actually, I was surprised a few years ago to see Boyle and Lynch posing together at the Orange County Museum of Art when they honored him.  I had thought they were completely estranged, but I guess time healed that old wound.

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:31 pm
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And yet they took the time and effort to recast her for FWWM so it's not like she's one of the intermittent mid-season 2 characters that faded away into obscurity.

We still have 4 parts left to make mention.  Keeping my  fingers crossed.

 

Donna had to be in FWWM because the story focused on Laura. Maybe Lynch and Frost just could not find a story line for her in season 3, just like Josie. But yes there are still episodes and they might surprise us. 

Good point about Josie, except she was totally dead, and Donna was very much alive. With you in keeping my fingers crossed for this one. Maybe it's better off that she's gone; with so much hurt and misery behind her, maybe Donna deserved a fresh start elsewhere away from Twin Peaks. Remember the scene in the Pilot between Donna and Big Ed when Mike comes by and acts all "abusive boyfriend?" Everyone in town knew who Donna was. She seemed as well known and well thought of as Laura. 

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:32 pm
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Posted by: Dale Wittig

It's very unlikely that Gersten Hayward will not appear again, given that Alicia Witt has a long history of working with Lynch (she played Alia in DUNE and Diane in Blackout) and he originally created the role as a favor to her. Also, her triangle with Becky and Steven Burnett is bound to be brought to some sort of development or resolution, Lynch and Frost would not have started it otherwise.  As for Donna, I heard that they tried to get Lara Flynn Boyle but she wanted too much.  Lynch told reporters that if they wanted to know why she wasn't in it they should ask her.  Actually, I was surprised a few years ago to see Boyle and Lynch posing together at the Orange County Museum of Art when they honored him.  I had thought they were completely estranged, but I guess time healed that old wound.

Wow, do pictures exist from this event? That kinda rocks my world a little.

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:34 pm
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Posted by: Jocelyn Rowe

I dislike James because he abandoned Donna on the side of the road when she told him Maddie was dead. He's still a  jerk in the Return--that girl he likes is married. Lara Flynn Boyle's character got shabby treatment in Season 2 and became an actor with no role to play. The paternity issue really didn't change that--too little, too late. I agree, though,  that the Donna in FWWM was the more engaging of the two.

James is a putz.  James has always been a putz.

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:38 pm
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Posted by: Dale Wittig

It's very unlikely that Gersten Hayward will not appear again, given that Alicia Witt has a long history of working with Lynch (she played Alia in DUNE and Diane in Blackout) and he originally created the role as a favor to her. Also, her triangle with Becky and Steven Burnett is bound to be brought to some sort of development or resolution, Lynch and Frost would not have started it otherwise.  As for Donna, I heard that they tried to get Lara Flynn Boyle but she wanted too much.  Lynch told reporters that if they wanted to know why she wasn't in it they should ask her.  Actually, I was surprised a few years ago to see Boyle and Lynch posing together at the Orange County Museum of Art when they honored him.  I had thought they were completely estranged, but I guess time healed that old wound.

DL and LFB in 2013 Now that is really something. She looks like she's had just a fraction of the plastic surgery that she currently lives with. I remember seeing a video of her questioning DL's greatness as a director. Actually, one of the things I was excited for in waiting for The Return was finding out what actor would take the Donna role. 

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:41 pm
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One theory that's going around is she died after James had his motorcycle accident. While I don't miss her character, it would be nice if they'd explain what happened, even if it's just a brief remark.

It seems to me that the writers couldn't figure out what to do with Donna after the Palmer case was resolved. Kind of like Audrey: they couldn't come up with a decent character arc after they dropped her storyline with Coop.

If this were true, then Shelly easily could have said "James is just quiet since he got in that motorcycle accident with Donna. That was so sad, losing Donna that way."

Maybe she didn't mention what happened because it's common knowledge, since it happened years ago. When Sheriff Truman came to visit Ben about Richard, he never mentioned Audrey, and it seems like she didn't even visit her mother was assaulted. 

There was nothing unusual about this because the characters know the situation: this could be how it is with Donna. As the audience we're not privy to that since we haven't seen them in 26 years. I think what Lynch and Frost are going to do is just have a character make an off the cuff remark / scene so the revelation comes naturally. 

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:42 pm
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And yet they took the time and effort to recast her for FWWM so it's not like she's one of the intermittent mid-season 2 characters that faded away into obscurity.

We still have 4 parts left to make mention.  Keeping my  fingers crossed.

 

Donna had to be in FWWM because the story focused on Laura. Maybe Lynch and Frost just could not find a story line for her in season 3, just like Josie. But yes there are still episodes and they might surprise us. 

Good point about Josie, except she was totally dead, and Donna was very much alive. With you in keeping my fingers crossed for this one. Maybe it's better off that she's gone; with so much hurt and misery behind her, maybe Donna deserved a fresh start elsewhere away from Twin Peaks. Remember the scene in the Pilot between Donna and Big Ed when Mike comes by and acts all "abusive boyfriend?" Everyone in town knew who Donna was. She seemed as well known and well thought of as Laura. 

 

Well, I am not really sure Josie is dead. Her soul could be trapped in the Black Lodge or someplace. She could have been cast to play Naido for instance, but it didn't happen. 

Donna went through a lot, and James just leaving her, plus finding out that Ben is her father, may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. With James gone, her best friend dead  and her family not what she thought it was, there was really nothing left for her in Twin Peaks. If Donna didn't die in the motorcycle accident with James and nothing is mentioned of her, I'd rather think she left town, went to college and was able to live a better, happier life. 

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:50 pm
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Unless she comes back as a zombie (I'm not counting it out) then Josie is dead in the real world as she had an autopsy and was buried. She may appear in spirit form though. 

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:54 pm
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Unless she comes back as a zombie (I'm not counting it out) then Josie is dead in the real world as she had an autopsy and was buried. She may appear in spirit form though. 

I don't quite remember, did we see her dead body lying there as her spirit/soul/essence/whatever entered the knob? It's not like she just disappeared or anything right? She was ded, D.E.D. ded

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Posted : 19/08/2017 8:56 pm
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IIRC she died in Harry's arms and her soul got trapped in the door knob. What a way to go. 

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Posted : 19/08/2017 9:02 pm
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Yeah her body was left behind. In the secret history it has Doc Haywards autopsy notes about her.

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Posted : 19/08/2017 9:03 pm
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Ok, that's what I thought.  Thank you for confirming.

Yeah, Josie dead.

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Posted : 19/08/2017 9:05 pm
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Kee-Rist!  Just viewed the pic.

I have never once, ever, absolutely zero times, seen anyone look good after cosmetic surgery.  Are there really so many bad cosmetic surgeons out there, or is there something that happens to people that makes them think, "I know, I'll go and pay out a lot of money to make myself look like I've been hit in the face with a tent mallet"?

What the actual bright blue blinking flip are these people thinking?

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Posted : 19/08/2017 9:18 pm
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Posted by: Sammy Weir

Yeah her body was left behind. In the secret history it has Doc Haywards autopsy notes about her.

 

Thanks, Sammy. Yes of course Josie is dead, I don't know why I got mixed up. What I wanted to say in my previous post was that even if Josie was dead, Lynch and Frost could have brought her back as a spirit liike you mentioned, or as Naido. But they didn't because it didn't fit the narrative, and it's a good thing they don't force it.

Going back to Donna, Lynch said the story takes place without her, so that rules out any cameo. But yes, a mention should suffice. 

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Posted : 19/08/2017 9:21 pm
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I have no expectation of seeing her or her being any part of the story.  Gave that up many weeks ago.  But yes, mention her!

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Posted : 19/08/2017 9:23 pm
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