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(@numnum19)
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I think im coming around to the idea he is in James subconscious.  In an earlier episode Shelley said he doesnt talk much since the accident. I found it a little suprising James was having a full on conversation next time we saw him.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 2:19 pm
(@natural-log-e)
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Definitely on board with the idea that the Fireman communicates telepathically, and as we witnessed relying heavily on visual cues.

As a side note, that actor talks that way normally. That's really his accent. Check out his Youtube videos where he does tons of other accents. His real one is the one he uses in TP:TR. 

This scene was joyful storytelling for me, and was sort of a back-end reflection to Wally Brando's long monologue in part 3. None of this struck me as sketchy or confusing or wrong minded. Just odd, which fits this world. I mean, if this happened to you, how would you tell the story to a colleague at a hotel thousands of miles away from home in a foreign country?

Your Laura disappeared. There's just me now.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 2:24 pm
(@silentbobni)
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Posted by: OliviaRWaring

Also a Cockney would never use the term "clerk".
NB, Mark Frost: the British term is shop assistant/man or woman behind the till.

Eh sort of. When I lived in America I tried to use American terms to avoid confusion. When in Rome and all that

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Posted : 20/08/2017 2:24 pm
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Posted by: Sammy Weir
Posted by: OliviaRWaring

Also a Cockney would never use the term "clerk".
NB, Mark Frost: the British term is shop assistant/man or woman behind the till.

Eh sort of. When I lived in America I tried to use American terms to avoid confusion. When in Rome and all that

Agreed.  I use many words and phrases that aren't in use here, for the benefit of my linguistically challenged American friends.

OTOH, it's funny to see how many of 'em pick up Brit words and phrases.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 3:16 pm
(@silentbobni)
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Reminds me of my American work colleagues who started calling everything a wanker who only stopped when I explained what it meant ???

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Posted : 20/08/2017 3:45 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: Sammy Weir

Reminds me of my American work colleagues who started calling everything a wanker who only stopped when I explained what it meant ???

It's used on a music site I frequent, thanks to me.  It's used as a non-prejudicial term for a guitarist who enjoys soloing.

I am so proud of my contribution to American vernacular.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 3:56 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Sammy Weir

Reminds me of my American work colleagues who started calling everything a wanker who only stopped when I explained what it meant ???

It's used on a music site I frequent, thanks to me.  It's used as a non-prejudicial term for a guitarist who enjoys soloing.

I am so proud of my contribution to American vernacular.

Let us adopt it here! Wanker!

 

(I know what it means...)

I AM the FBI.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 4:09 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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I can see that leading to all kinds of trouble.  Let's do it!

On topic, though...

I said it before and I'll say it again, re: Freddy...

Fight Club!

Of course, if I'm wrong, I never said a word. 😉

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Posted : 20/08/2017 4:15 pm
(@matthew_gladney)
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Posted by: Rob John Goodin

I agree that there is something weird about how he continues to add to the story, especially in response to the Why you? question.

However, if you recall how Andy came back from his visit with some very clear and precise information that was not presented to us the viewers, "she's very important, and there are people that want her dead.  She's fine physically.  We need to put her in a cell where she'll be safe."  We didn't see the Fireman didn't tell him any of that either, but he picked it up.

So, I think he's telling the truth as he understands it.  

This.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 4:34 pm
(@matthew_gladney)
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The following is all supposition. I have no idea who writes what in TP:TR (the parts written by Lynch, and the parts written Frost).

So, earlier I created a thread that talked about how the clarity of the answers we receive on this show could possibly be determined by who is writing them. I am beginning to wonder if the same can be said about Fireman scenes?

What if Lynch writes stuff like the "Richard and Linda" dialogue, but Frost wrote the James/Freddie scene? Frost is a much more straightforward writer. I can totally see him writing that scene.

I think we sometimes forget (at least in an immediate sense) that there are two people writing this show. I try and take that into account when we have stuff like this.

Then again, Freddie could be any of the things theorized here so far.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 4:54 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

I can see that leading to all kinds of trouble.  Let's do it!

On topic, though...

I said it before and I'll say it again, re: Freddy...

Fight Club!

Of course, if I'm wrong, I never said a word. 😉

It's a neat idea, whether or not it is the thing...

I AM the FBI.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 6:03 pm
(@matthew_gladney)
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I just rewatched Freddie's scenes (Part 2 and Part 14). I don't think he's a figment of James's imagination, nor do I think he's a Black Lodge entity. I think he's exactly what his story (so far) purports him to be.

Not really sure where some folks are getting the notion that he keeps adding-on to his story. He doesn't, really. James asks Freddie about the glove. Freddie tells him a very long tale about how he came about it. James asks a follow-up question ("Why you?"). Freddie answers it fairly succinctly (compared to the length of the first part of the story), and... that's it. They're done. James gets up to check the furnace. Freddie sits on the edge of the loading bay looking at his gloved hand.

The way Freddie tells the story isn't suspicious. Whenever we relay something to someone, we often pick a particular way to do so. Sometimes (often), we'll leave things out. Really, the only thing Freddie left out was the part about why the Fireman chose him. Perhaps because it didn't really add much to the story, probably because the Fireman's response wasn't really very illuminating.

As for the cockney accent, yes, it was bad. But then that may have been Lynch's direction. The actor who played Freddie is very accomplished at doing accents. He's also very young. Lynch is known for not liking actors ad-libbing (there's an article out there about how Jim Belushi tried it on-set, and Lynch shut him down). So, a young actor getting his first real gig probably would do as he was told. And, as we've seen with Bowie/Phillip Jeffries, Lynch doesn't always get actors to provide convincing accents.

So, those are my thoughts/observations. I think that Freddie is what he claims to be. The thing I found really odd about the scene in Part 14 was James going to check the furnace. That seems so.... archaic. Do people really go and check furnaces these days?

 

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Posted : 20/08/2017 6:16 pm
(@johan_pitz_petersson)
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As i said in the post while ago, freddy gives so much clues being tied to james mind. Most important is he calls him jimmy, and that james asks to be important / seen on his birthday. The dialog is very much the same my kids have when they play with their toys in a fiction world talking to themselves.. Something is tied into the accident with james too, just like nadine and many others.. Well my bet is on _James as i said and it would be awesome and make james which is doing super in this return even more cool 🙂 ,, watch out for killer episode today.. I think we r up for some action with cooper

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Posted : 20/08/2017 6:45 pm
(@buttercup)
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Well if Freddie is in James' mind, I completely fell for him being a real character.  Maybe we'll get more information tonight. 

 

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Posted : 20/08/2017 7:27 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: Matthew Gladney

I just rewatched Freddie's scenes (Part 2 and Part 14). I don't think he's a figment of James's imagination, nor do I think he's a Black Lodge entity. I think he's exactly what his story (so far) purports him to be.

Not really sure where some folks are getting the notion that he keeps adding-on to his story. He doesn't, really. James asks Freddie about the glove. Freddie tells him a very long tale about how he came about it. James asks a follow-up question ("Why you?"). Freddie answers it fairly succinctly (compared to the length of the first part of the story), and... that's it. They're done. James gets up to check the furnace. Freddie sits on the edge of the loading bay looking at his gloved hand.

The way Freddie tells the story isn't suspicious. Whenever we relay something to someone, we often pick a particular way to do so. Sometimes (often), we'll leave things out. Really, the only thing Freddie left out was the part about why the Fireman chose him. Perhaps because it didn't really add much to the story, probably because the Fireman's response wasn't really very illuminating.

As for the cockney accent, yes, it was bad. But then that may have been Lynch's direction. The actor who played Freddie is very accomplished at doing accents. He's also very young. Lynch is known for not liking actors ad-libbing (there's an article out there about how Jim Belushi tried it on-set, and Lynch shut him down). So, a young actor getting his first real gig probably would do as he was told. And, as we've seen with Bowie/Phillip Jeffries, Lynch doesn't always get actors to provide convincing accents.

So, those are my thoughts/observations. I think that Freddie is what he claims to be. The thing I found really odd about the scene in Part 14 was James going to check the furnace. That seems so.... archaic. Do people really go and check furnaces these days?

 

Security have to check everywhere.  Places I worked at, the security guys had passes to everything except inside the server rooms.  They had to wave their pass at every sensor at a specified time, which was then logged on a database file.

Before such things, most guys carried a key, which had to be used at a checkpoint clock, sited in different areas.

But yes, they'd check the furnaces, or at least, the area where the furnaces are kept.

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Posted : 20/08/2017 7:41 pm
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