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(@mj_gilbert)
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In my last rewatch of part 14, I found Freddy's telling of his story very suspicious (his ridiculous accent aside). Everything about the way he told this story ,including revising the narrative as he went (oh, so after James asks "why you" , Freddy goes back and reports that he hada longer convresation with the giant and asked him just that?).

If Freddy hadn't mentioned a vortex and a giant, I don't think I would have any doubts that he was lying.

But can yiu imagine the Fireman speaking to someone as Freddy reports he did?

Maybe I am overthinking it, but, yeah, I think Freddy might be sketchy.

Might be better than the very convenient, deus ex green-glove-destiny-power that we have been tossed.

Anyone have thoughts, or share my incredulity? 

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 12:55 pm
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One thing that bugged me was someone like Freddy using the word "vortex" but I blamed the writing.

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:00 pm
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It was all weird and I agree, sketchy. I'm waiting to see if we learn more because I don't really know what to make of it.  It had too much of a Marvel Comics superhero essence to it.

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:03 pm
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I get the impression that whenever The Fireman communicates to someone its not just on a verbal level. For instance, he tells Coop "Richard and Linda, 2 birds 1 stone"  Coop says " I understand ".  Or when Andy knows to protect Naido, there's someone coming to hurt her. 

I feel the dialogue we hear is purposely like that to keep it cryptic but the characters are getting a lot more information, possibly telepathically. 

 

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:13 pm
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Other than mention of the "dream", I figured that Jimmy was going to ask Freddie if he just made that up and it would end up just being a joke between the two.

Still, he did mention those things and did actually appear to have a pile-driver right hand...

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:28 pm
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I agree that there is something weird about how he continues to add to the story, especially in response to the Why you? question.

However, if you recall how Andy came back from his visit with some very clear and precise information that was not presented to us the viewers, "she's very important, and there are people that want her dead.  She's fine physically.  We need to put her in a cell where she'll be safe."  We didn't see the Fireman didn't tell him any of that either, but he picked it up.

So, I think he's telling the truth as he understands it.  

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:42 pm
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Can't remember if it was here or somewhere else I read it but someone had the theory that Freddie is actually part of James subconscious and that's why the accent is so fake sounding and that it was James that met the giant during his accident. I don't believe that cause if James was that important he'd have been more prominent but nice little idea.

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:43 pm
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To me, this was the most (and only) ridiculous scene in the series so far. The more I think about it, the more the whole thing doesn't sit right. 

Maybe it's because I'm a Brit and IMO no cockney would speak that way to someone in the US - they'd tone it down for their benefit. It's very much an organic thing amongst cockneys in the presence of other cockneys. So I found the whole thing very incredulous. I actually shook my head when he said "snapped his Gregory". It reminded me of that scene in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels when the cockney conversation comes complete with subtitles as a director's dig to the US audience handing out leaflets in some cinemas (so the story went at the time). So to me, there's something very post-modern about the whole scene. Like it's mocking certain types of stereotypes or cinema scenes that attempt to include a stereotype. 

Brandy mentioned it was like a marvel comic - I agree with that assessment. Man finds magical glove. Can now fight evil. Man saves day with super fist!

To me, the whole scene was so fabricated and unrealistic, not just the story but the delivery, that I can't help but feel as if there's something else going on like what the OP suggested. 

On the other hand (no pun intended), stranger things have happened (Josie, doorknob, anyone?)

I think the vast majority of Southern UK audience cringed at the guy's delivery. I'd like to know how the US and other territories felt about it. Because to me, it was so over-delivered as to be intentional. 

It's all rather odd 😀

 

Edit - as an aside, imagine an Australian donning a cork hat, looking like Paul Hogan from crocodile Dundee. Or, a stereotypical Mexican "Gringo" sipping whiskey from a bottle. 

Either would have been replaceable. And Lynch has spent time around many Brits. So the more I think about this scene, the more I think it's intentionally OTT!

 

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:51 pm
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I like the idea that Freddie is a tulpa. It seems to fit, since his first major appearance in the show is during the episode that discusses tulpas and doppelgangers. Has anyone else seen or spoken to him other than James? He didn't even order his own drink at the Roadhouse; James ordered for him. I wouldn't bet on it but I think it's a cool idea that could end up correct.

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 1:58 pm
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I thought back to the building/room in Episode 1 where the man is watching the glass box when i saw the camera focus on the door when James goes down to check the furnace.

Could the door be between two dimensions? Maybe from Great Northern to the Black Lodge?

 

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 2:00 pm
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Posted by: Sammy Weir

Can't remember if it was here or somewhere else I read it but someone had the theory that Freddie is actually part of James subconscious and that's why the accent is so fake sounding and that it was James that met the giant during his accident. I don't believe that cause if James was that important he'd have been more prominent but nice little idea.

That's a v interesting theory. 

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 2:01 pm
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Posted by: Emma Sword

I thought back to the building/room in Episode 1 where the man is watching the glass box when i saw the camera focus on the door when James goes down to check the furnace.

Could the door be between two dimensions? Maybe from Great Northern to the Black Lodge?

 

That's interesting. Are you thinking like a Vanishing Cabinet from Harry Potter? What quicker way to get from NY to Twin Peaks? It beats flying. Mrs. Houseman and her New York friends, indeed.

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 2:03 pm
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As fans, we have a tendency to come up with crazy theories when elements of Twin Peaks don't make sense to us. We see things as suspect because we lack the necessary information. There may be an explanation provided in the last few episodes. If Freddy uses his gloved hand to help the Fireman's cause it will confirm his story and the doubts surrounding him will be gone. We have a lot of information that indicates he has an important role to play. I think he will use the insulated glove provided by The Fireman to handle something electrical. 

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 2:16 pm
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We live inside James' dream. 😉

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 2:17 pm
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Also a Cockney would never use the term "clerk".
NB, Mark Frost: the British term is shop assistant/man or woman behind the till.

 
Posted : 20/08/2017 2:18 pm
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