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(@samxtherapy)
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Number 4 is one of the reasons Tarantino does it.  The other one is a sort of meta version of 2.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 8:29 am
(@naogilles)
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Or a bearded Bowie playing with electricity to create doppelgangers. Now that'd be a fun clip-show finale.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 8:33 am
(@elad-repooc)
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Alternate take? 

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Posted : 16/08/2017 2:48 pm
(@lucas_bracci)
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Posted by: René-Gilles Deberdt

How else would you want him to show up..? Through clips of 'The Man who Fell to Earth' shown in reverse over jazz music?

Well, this is an idea.

A mask was molded at this time.

 

 

 

 

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Posted : 16/08/2017 3:08 pm
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Posted by: Jack

In FWWM, from 1992, David Bowie's character Phillip says:

"Who do you think this is there?" when he points at Cooper.

But Gordon's dream changed the dialogue to:

"Who do you think that is there?"

I had to rewatch the original scene from FWWM to be sure, but Lynch altered this.  Why???

I too noticed what Jeffries said and how he said it was different, but for me I agree with others here who feel that it's indicative, certainly, of how my memory works. I can often become an unreliable narrator, either intentionally or plain forgetfulness. 

We play a game at Improvisation where, before saying our response, we have to say what the person said to us first, e.g.

Person A - Hello, I'd like to rent a car please

Person B - Hello, I'd like to rent a car please. Certainly Madam, would a compact work for you or something larger?

Person A - Certainly Madam, etc...

It forces performers to be more active in their listening.

Another one is for a group of say six people, the first says something and passes it on. By the time it comes out the other end, i.e. the sixth person, it's often rather different.

There's an old saying where someone says, 'Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance.' It started out as 'Send reinforcements, we're going to advance.'

I do recognise that there may be copyrights on using Bowie's actual voice, but for me, irrespective of that, I think it works brilliantly, not least because Cole was relaying what he remembers of the scene. I think the scene also gives further creedence to the notion that Jeffries had at least seen, if not visited the future, during which 'time' saw that Coop in the FBI office was likely Mr C, or at least that there were two of Coop.

I am however always receptive to having my opinion changed when new information comes to light.

🙂

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Posted : 16/08/2017 5:45 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
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I think the change is just an artifact of DL using an outtake (for whatever reason), but DL HAS Made changes.

Remember the first time we hear Laura's tape to Dr. Jacobi? When we finally hear the whole thing, it is not the same- Laura's tone and inflection is completely different. The first time she says "James is sweet- but he's so dumb" it is sad and wistful. The second time there is an edge of scorn (perhaps channeling many of you).

The dirrerence always bugged me...

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Posted : 16/08/2017 7:17 pm
(@matthew_rose7)
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Posted by: Jack

There is a big difference between the word this and that though!

This = future

That=past

Is it future Brandy, or is it past?

But the change was intentional!  Lynch used an exact clip from FWWM and changed Bowie's dialogue!

This isn't the difference. "This" is referring to something nearby and "that" is something farther away. 

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Posted : 18/08/2017 8:46 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: matthew_rose7
Posted by: Jack

There is a big difference between the word this and that though!

This = future

That=past

Is it future Brandy, or is it past?

But the change was intentional!  Lynch used an exact clip from FWWM and changed Bowie's dialogue!

This isn't the difference. "This" is referring to something nearby and "that" is something farther away. 

Not always.  Conversational speech doesn't follow conventions of formal language.  The two are interchangeable.  Perhaps incorrectly but that's how people speak.  "That" is often used as a dismissive, when pointing out something distasteful or unwelcome.  "What is that doing in the house?" "Who brought that piece of junk in here?" and so on.

Good old English language.  French say they have a word for everything (and they definitely do not), we have at least four.

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Posted : 18/08/2017 8:59 pm
(@b-randy)
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Well said Detective Sam.  That's why you have 2 badges!  😀

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Posted : 18/08/2017 9:02 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Thank you, Deputy Brandy.  

I'm not too bad at English; been speaking it most of me life and I think I've just about got the hang of it now.

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Posted : 18/08/2017 9:09 pm
(@b-randy)
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Me talk real good merican

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Posted : 18/08/2017 9:17 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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So it would appear.  😉

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Posted : 18/08/2017 10:04 pm
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Posted by: matthew_rose7
Posted by: Jack

There is a big difference between the word this and that though!

This = future

That=past

Is it future Brandy, or is it past?

But the change was intentional!  Lynch used an exact clip from FWWM and changed Bowie's dialogue!

This isn't the difference. "This" is referring to something nearby and "that" is something farther away. 

Thank you.  This and that are not tense determiners in this or any sentence (by the verb, Jeffries is using simple present).  They're just serving as predicate adjectives, er, not doing much of anything in this case.  Well, not much grammatically, but in Lynch/Frost's heads, who knows?

Sure is a strange little thing to do.  There's a lot of strange little things. 

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Posted : 18/08/2017 10:57 pm
(@naogilles)
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Sam, your quote about the French language... you heard it from Q.I., didn't you? 😉

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Posted : 19/08/2017 12:16 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Nope.  It's an old one, going back donkey's years.  I believe I first heard it at school, 40 - some years ago.

I don't watch QI; I agree with the view that Stephen Fry is a stupid person's idea of a clever person.

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Posted : 19/08/2017 1:14 pm
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