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(@cyndeewillow)
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I think the bands are clues.

Lissie (I wasn't too taken with the performance either) sang "The Wild West." The kid with the green glove is named Freddie Sykes.

That name is familiar. It alludes to a character in a famous Western by Sam Peckinpah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Bunch

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Posted : 15/08/2017 11:25 am
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: Charlie
Posted by: SamXTherapy

Watching Twin Peaks for the music is like watching an "Adult" movie for the acting.

*dons flameproof suit*

Perfect statement.  Not going to push the issue, but I hate when we see the road house this season.  On re-watch I fast forward through all the live music scenes.  I've said before, the creators and I don't share the same taste in music.

Here's the distinction I'm looking for.  Taste, not quality.  Or, if folks are going to make the "quality" argument, they'll need to make a case for it...

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Posted : 15/08/2017 11:28 am
(@pieter)
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Posted by: cyndeewillow

I think the bands are clues.

Lissie (I wasn't too taken with the performance either) sang "The Wild West." The kid with the green glove is named Freddie Sykes.

That name is familiar. It alludes to a character in a famous Western by Sam Peckinpah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Bunch

Great catch!

This is the water and this is the well. Drink full and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 12:06 pm
(@samxtherapy)
Detective
Posted by: Roberto Bella
Posted by: Badalamenti Fan
Posted by: Roberto Bella

I think all of the S03 bands have been shite, but 'yknow what opinions are like...

 

... remind us, for the benefit of all?

Sure. They're like ASSHOLES. Everybody has one. haha

Surely you've heard that before.

And don't call me Shirley.

Right you are, Ted.

 

 

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 15/08/2017 1:45 pm
(@strictlybriznes)
Town Visitor

Agree with those that weren't impressed with Lizzie.  I've liked all the bands up till this point.  I also wish there was more of a score playing underneath scenes.  The use of music is quite sparse compared to seasons 1 & 2.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 1:56 pm
(@samxtherapy)
Detective
Posted by: StrictlyBriznes

Agree with those that weren't impressed with Lizzie.  I've liked all the bands up till this point.  I also wish there was more of a score playing underneath scenes.  The use of music is quite sparse compared to seasons 1 & 2.

I much prefer the way things are now.  It gives all the other sounds more room to breathe.  It's allowing for all the subliminal clues (boxing commentary, electricity noises) to come through without being stomped on by a synth pad sound.

If I was director, I wouldn't allow any incidental music at all.  Nothing.  Music playing in bars, on radio and TV would be ok if it was part of the scene but absolutely nothing else, ever.  But I'm not.  Anyhow, Lynch generally knows what he's doing so I'll leave him to it.  ?

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Posted : 15/08/2017 2:01 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: StrictlyBriznes

Agree with those that weren't impressed with Lizzie.  I've liked all the bands up till this point.  I also wish there was more of a score playing underneath scenes.  The use of music is quite sparse compared to seasons 1 & 2.

Might this be by design?  What does the absence of underscoring achieve? A new emphasis on sound design.  "Listen to the sounds."

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Posted : 15/08/2017 2:07 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Posted by: cyndeewillow

I think the bands are clues.

Lissie (I wasn't too taken with the performance either) sang "The Wild West." The kid with the green glove is named Freddie Sykes.

That name is familiar. It alludes to a character in a famous Western by Sam Peckinpah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Bunch

This may be more of a stretch, but there also are some possible references to 'Freddie Krueger' here: he was a maintenance man who tends a boiler room/furnaces like James, who is later burnt to death in that room as a result of his actions against the local townspeople, and now kills people in their dreams, turns them to nightmares.  The episode was about dreaming, James is still looking for his dreams at the roadhouse(going 'out west', much like he kept doing in the original series, going to California, etc., when Freddie is finding his dreams right in James' home in Twin Peaks, what James did not do) and James seemed shaken by the younger Freddie who was able to talk with the Fireman while he was not and still has a chance at realizing his dreams, and doing it a different way then James, by not going to the pub/roadhouse.  James is visibly shaken and hurt by Freddie's story, as if it is touching a sore spot, his failed dreams exposed, he could have done something different. Then James proceeds to the boiler room/furnaces(where BOB is found saying his crazy statement, also the home of Freddie Krueger and where he burned to death).  James is still trying to go all the time, 'go west', wildly looking to seduce a married woman, since he is now old and pressured by his birthday, since he still is obsessed with his exploits as a young person and trying to live them over and over again.  Then, at the roadhouse during the 'wild west' song, we see a member of the crowd going crazy dancing to the music, and this crowd member is dressed like Freddie Krueger, with the red and black horizontally striped shirt, going to the 'wild west' in dreams which can turn into nightmares if they go into BOB's 'wild west' momentum, like possibly James/BOB in the boiler room, the door he is looking at.

Also, the name of that 'wild west' movie The Wild Bunch also is close to the title of a movie about a biker that was also hinted at in Twin Peaks the Return: the wild one, Wally Brando the biker dressed like Marlon Brando in that movie, maybe a hint to James here and his modus operandi, since the biker in that movie remains 'wild' to the end, continues the same lifestyle.  James had his motorcycle accident, but cant get away from his old 'wild west' mode of operation, still 'looking west' to the roadhouse for salvation.

So Freddie Sykes may be able to stop James or convince him to stop the 'dangerous game he is playing' in a 'compromise with the world', even though Harry Truman was unable to, before he becomes BOB/Freddie Krueger in that boiler room.  It is possibly two ways of dealing with the question 'Who is the dreamer?', (there is no dreamer, everything going wrong James in original series when try to directly realize your dreams, but the idea of a dreamer lives on nonetheless as the product of dreaming, where you live, dreams to fix what is lacking in what you find given to you in the world, find love, justice, etc.): when confronted with this question, can go to the 'wild west', James here, or stop it and try to do something more genuine, 'help people', garden/tend the broken nature/law/'state of things as you find them' that is shattering the dreams in the first place, since if you dont fix this(agent cooper's task now too) you will never be able to directly realize your dreams.  And in the wild west movie 'the wild bunch' freddie sykes at the end convinces a wild bounty hunter to join the mexican revolution(from wikipedia)........

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Posted : 15/08/2017 2:38 pm
(@floatinghigherandhigher)
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I don't mind the music at the end because I feel it's like going to a concert or a show that once it has ended, there are some music to leave the theatre and that is great for me because in that moment you can thinks of what you just have seen. And I guess Lynch think of his work as a work of art not as an episode of a series that you can watch sitting in your couch.

But I agree, this acting was awful. It was torture for me. 

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Posted : 15/08/2017 2:49 pm
(@andrew_glasson)
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I think Au Revoir Simone have been my favourite of all the bands on so far though I have liked all the bands and the music that have been on at the roadhouse.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 3:07 pm
(@andrew_glasson)
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I think Au Revoir Simone have been my favourite of all the bands on so far though I have liked all the bands and the music that have been on at the roadhouse.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 3:07 pm
(@andrew_glasson)
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I think Au Revoir Simone have been my favourite of all the bands on so far though I have liked all the bands and the music that have been on at the roadhouse.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 3:07 pm
(@b-randy)
Chief Moderator

Murat, I usually enjoy your assessments even if I do not agree with or always understand them. I am still broken that you brought a Pauly Shore movie in to the inner sanctum, but after a thorough cleansing, I'm working on getting past it.  😉

But I'm gonna have to put my foot down with a Freddy Krueger analysis/comparison.  Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge horror fan and am especially fond of the campy 80's horror. This is an unimaginable stretch and frankly young man, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

Just kidding, I think you're great even though this analysis has me doing some serious eyebrow raising.  🙂

I'm impressed that you found the Freddie Sykes character from Wild Bunch.  That was immediately where my mind went to.

Keep up the good work.  You help keep my own analytical skills sharp.

 

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Posted : 15/08/2017 3:15 pm
(@samxtherapy)
Detective
Posted by: Andrew Glasson

I think Au Revoir Simone have been my favourite of all the bands on so far though I have liked all the bands and the music that have been on at the roadhouse.

Yep, heard you the first two times.  😉

I guess you must really like them.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 15/08/2017 3:24 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
Roadhouse Regular
Posted by: Charlie
Posted by: SamXTherapy

Watching Twin Peaks for the music is like watching an "Adult" movie for the acting.

*dons flameproof suit*

Perfect statement.  Not going to push the issue, but I hate when we see the road house this season.  On re-watch I fast forward through all the live music scenes.  I've said before, the creators and I don't share the same taste in music.

Notice how every episode, almost, ends with music?  Now remember the fireman's instructions from episode 1 'listen to the sounds', then 'gramophone' starts playing; and also during the credits of episode 1(where the roadhouse music scenes are almost always played) that same gramophone that appears after the fireman says 'listen to the sounds' begins to play those 'scratchy' noises. 

So agent cooper as full detective, no longer split, is told this to 'listen to the sounds', listen to the roadhouse music, which is placed where the gramophone is.  The roadhouse music, its lyrics, 'out-of-placeness', style, feeling which it evokes, etc. are all huge clues regarding the episode in which they are played.  Agent Cooper who is trying to follow clues and solve a mystery, this is twin peaks after all, must listen to these sounds to solve it.

All sorts of different styles of music there, but all are clues, big clues, including when they seem out of place, and the crowds reactions.  We get the 'inside story', but the crowd is the crowd, how people live without that inside story, and they dont find the music out of place, play along, and are not trying to solve the mystery................

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Posted : 15/08/2017 3:43 pm
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