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(@ollie_barkovic)
Dweller

Where is that from. 

Did we see it when the kid was run over?

or

Is it from Carl's trailer park?

So much to unpack, brain hurts. 

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Posted : 13/08/2017 11:23 pm
(@erin_shahar)
Town Visitor

it was originally in the fat trout trailer park in fwwm. i know we saw it again in the return, but can't remember exactly where.

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Posted : 13/08/2017 11:28 pm
(@ollie_barkovic)
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Posted by: Erin Shahar

it was originally in the fat trout trailer park in fwwm. i know we saw it again in the return, but can't remember exactly where.

You rock. 

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Posted : 13/08/2017 11:29 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
Deputy

Indeed, right aftre the boy was run over. All the same numbers on the pole. Guess it came with Carl from Deer River...

I AM the FBI.

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Posted : 14/08/2017 12:17 am
 Jack
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Posted by: MJ Gilbert

Indeed, right aftre the boy was run over. All the same numbers on the pole. Guess it came with Carl from Deer River...

I'm hoping that Lynch and Frost don't rewrite that electricity pole's location.  We all know it was in Deer Meadow, and we've seen it again and again in Season 3, but they haven't as of yet changed its location.  So it HAS to still be in Dear Meadow.

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Posted : 14/08/2017 1:48 am
(@tyler_henry)
Lodger

I'm just wondering if I'm the only one here who noticed the "flashing" of that image...three times. Any significance of the "6-6-6" being conveyed there? Also notice above the "Cooper"s on the paper Briggs left behind that there's a 666 right above that? Definitely strange...

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Posted : 14/08/2017 1:06 pm
(@jason_pontillo)
Owl

I'm gonna get weird for a minute because the numbers in Twin Peaks, FWWM, and The Return have turned into a strange obsession of late. I am super cautious, because jumping into any serious attempt at "interpretation" with Lynch runs counter to many of his statements about his work — these are just some things my odd little mind has picked up on. It will sound SUPER insane, but it might be worth a read.

First, I should say that I've seen a few discussions of the numerology of Twin Peaks, and it's kinda fun. It's not a thing I take all that seriously, but as a parallel to the narrative I think that numbers and mathematics work in interesting ways.

You're spot on in noticing how the utility pole in the scene where the child is killed has the same numbers as we saw in FWWM at the Fat Trout Trailer Park (in Deer Meadow). As far as the location, the hit-and-run death is just outside of the Double R Diner (where Miriam just left after a meal and some coffees to go and witnessed Richard driving off) and the 'New' Fat Trout Trailer Park in Twin Peaks (Carl having moved back to his hometown, which is information we have from "The Secret History").

Now, some points of significance: we don't have a definitive location of Deer Meadow (where Teresa Banks was killed) in relation to Twin Peaks due to some discrepancies between the original series, FWWM, and "The Secret History," but we can safely assume that there is some distance between the two areas. I've already pointed out the 'New' Fat Trout Trailer Park as distinct from the one in FWWM, but what is really interesting goes back to the utility pole. Here's where I'm gonna get weird: we have seen the same numbers on this pole in FWWM, episode 3:06, and 3:14. 324810 (the numbers on the yellow polyethylene tags) is above a 6 (on the aluminum tag). 324810 is a weird number! Within recreational mathematics it is known as a Harshad number (sources http://numbermatics.com/n/324810/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harshad_number), and the graph in the first link fascinating because one of the conversations I've had with a friend throughout our viewing of this series has dealt with circles.

But getting back to the utility pole: each occurrence has been tied to travel between our reality and the other realms (for lack of a better term): Chet Desmond disappears near one in the trailer park in FWWM (Let's rock is written on his car), the "spirit" of the child killed by Richard ascends near one, and Andy is shown one by the Fireman. Each time we also not that far away from hearing an electric scratch. 

(Digression - the dialogue in the convenience store in FWWM: circles [with this ring I thee wed] and electricity in backwards speak)

Ok, I've been rambling for a bit. I have millions of other thoughts (as my friends can attest to). I hope that this adds a ~lil~ bit to the discussion.

 

Other weird and very quick numerological thing: 430 pops up in Exodus: Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years.  And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years --- on that very same day --- it came to pass that all the armies of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. (Ex. 12:40-41)

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Posted : 14/08/2017 11:55 pm
(@jason_pontillo)
Owl

I'm gonna get weird for a minute because the numbers in Twin Peaks, FWWM, and The Return have turned into a strange obsession of late. I am super cautious, because jumping into any serious attempt at "interpretation" with Lynch runs counter to many of his statements about his work — these are just some things my odd little mind has picked up on. It will sound SUPER insane, but it might be worth a read.

First, I should say that I've seen a few discussions of the numerology of Twin Peaks, and it's kinda fun. It's not a thing I take all that seriously, but as a parallel to the narrative I think that numbers and mathematics work in interesting ways.

You're spot on in noticing how the utility pole in the scene where the child is killed has the same numbers as we saw in FWWM at the Fat Trout Trailer Park (in Deer Meadow). As far as the location, the hit-and-run death is just outside of the Double R Diner (where Miriam just left after a meal and some coffees to go and witnessed Richard driving off) and the 'New' Fat Trout Trailer Park in Twin Peaks (Carl having moved back to his hometown, which is information we have from "The Secret History").

Now, some points of significance: we don't have a definitive location of Deer Meadow (where Teresa Banks was killed) in relation to Twin Peaks due to some discrepancies between the original series, FWWM, and "The Secret History," but we can safely assume that there is some distance between the two areas. I've already pointed out the 'New' Fat Trout Trailer Park as distinct from the one in FWWM, but what is really interesting goes back to the utility pole. Here's where I'm gonna get weird: we have seen the same numbers on this pole in FWWM, episode 3:06, and 3:14. 324810 (the numbers on the yellow polyethylene tags) is above a 6 (on the aluminum tag). 324810 is a weird number! Within recreational mathematics it is known as a Harshad number (sources http://numbermatics.com/n/324810/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harshad_number), and the graph in the first link fascinating because one of the conversations I've had with a friend throughout our viewing of this series has dealt with circles.

But getting back to the utility pole: each occurrence has been tied to travel between our reality and the other realms (for lack of a better term): Chet Desmond disappears near one in the trailer park in FWWM (Let's rock is written on his car), the "spirit" of the child killed by Richard ascends near one, and Andy is shown one by the Fireman. Each time we also not that far away from hearing an electric scratch. 

(Digression - the dialogue in the convenience store in FWWM: circles [with this ring I thee wed] and electricity in backwards speak)

Ok, I've been rambling for a bit. I have millions of other thoughts (as my friends can attest to). I hope that this adds a ~lil~ bit to the discussion.

 

Other weird and very quick numerological thing: 430 pops up in Exodus: Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years.  And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years --- on that very same day --- it came to pass that all the armies of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. (Ex. 12:40-41)

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Posted : 14/08/2017 11:56 pm
(@severelyatomicmagazine)
Lodger

Really interesting...I love the obsessive pattern-seeking/puzzle-solving mindset that Lynch films prompt...whether or not there's an actual, premeditated pattern or puzzle placed there or not!?

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Posted : 15/08/2017 12:11 am
(@seattle-swede)
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Now, some points of significance: we don't have a definitive location of Deer Meadow (where Teresa Banks was killed) in relation to Twin Peaks due to some discrepancies between the original series, FWWM, and "The Secret History," but we can safely assume that there is some distance between the two areas.

Hi Jason, 

Good detective work.  Regarding the above, we recall that on Agent Cooper's first night in Twin Peaks in the town hall he informed the assembly of the [Teresa Banks] murder which took place one year prior in a "small town in the southwest part of this state".  As the crow flies, diagonally, you could approximate there is at a minimum 300 miles between Twin Peaks and Deer Meadow, since that's as close as he ever pinpointed DM.  I like to think it's in the neighborhood of Mt. St. Helens.  Why not.

I also like to think that 6 pole gets around some.  

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Posted : 15/08/2017 1:40 am
(@cyndeewillow)
Roadhouse Regular

I noticed that in episode 14 during Andy's vision in the lodge, the pole flashed three times so that it showed 666, the mark of the beast. The other numbers are interesting, but that was the most obvious impression I took from it. 

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Posted : 15/08/2017 2:33 am
(@naogilles)
RR Diner Patron

I doubt DM is that far away. Why would Laura drive 300 miles to sell her services? (Or Teresa for that matter.) Gas isn't free. Time isn't free.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 2:37 am
(@seattle-swede)
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Posted by: René-Gilles Deberdt

I doubt DM is that far away. Why would Laura drive 300 miles to sell her services? (Or Teresa for that matter.) Gas isn't free. Time isn't free.

You're thinking logically, a real no-no.  

Likewise, in the pilot episode of Twin Peaks Cooper states that the town is 12 miles from Idaho and 5 miles from Canada.  However, every amusing map ever concocted, including the FBI mapping shown in this series, puts it more like 80 miles in from either border.  

I live here so these locations (and the discrepancies) stand out to me.  

Would Leland really travel that far for some tail?  Riiiiight...

Always have to keep the Lynch Space/Time disabler button pressed.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 10:46 am
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(@roberto_bella)
Roadhouse Regular

I caught the three "flashings" of the 6 in Andy's vision as well. Usually TP sticks to its internal mythology with numbers, so that struck me as a bit more "obvious" than usual in terms of signifying big bad stuff, which makes it a curious thing.

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Posted : 15/08/2017 10:52 am
(@naogilles)
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Posted by: Subalpine Fir

You're thinking logically, a real no-no.  

Oops, forgot!

Likewise, in the pilot episode of Twin Peaks Cooper states that the town is 12 miles from Idaho and 5 miles from Canada.  However, every amusing map ever concocted, including the FBI mapping shown in this series, puts it more like 80 miles in from either border.

I haven't seen the maps, only heard the log in the pilot, and I always assumed that TP was indeed right at the Canadian border and next to Idaho as well, basically close to Metaline (because otherwise, how could Ronette cross state lines by foot..?)

Oh yes, sorry, forgot about the logic thing. No, seriously, I'm taking the pilot as canon here.

(Splitting quotes in half is brutal on this forum... Have to edit the HTML manually every time. Sorry, I'm a forum software developer as well, so it bugs me because my software has an auto-splitter feature.)

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Posted : 15/08/2017 11:04 am
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