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(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: Ibán Manzano

Another point

In the last week, we saw Dougie playing baseball with his son. But in this episode we saw Dougie after a wild night with the Mitchums, presumably after directly of the scene when the brothers gave the cherry pie to Dougie.

Flashback.  Or... DougieCoop thinking about Sonny Jim without a gym set.

Occam's Razor strikes again.  😉

 
Posted : 07/08/2017 9:50 am
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Yes, but plot-wise the Dougie timeline seems linear enough. This scene doesn't really move anything anywhere, it merely gives us a detail. We were so expectant of Cooper's cherry pie awakening and here were Lynch and Frost telling us "he hasn't really woken up yet".

 
Posted : 07/08/2017 10:23 am
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Posted by: Jocelyn Rowe
Posted by: Sammy Weir

Bobby said to Big Ed that they had found something left by his father earlier today. Timeline for the episodes is all over the place. Hoping for a blu-ray option to watch them in the right order.

I don't really see some of these as "time jumps." This is simply when Bobby told Ed about. It brings Ed into the show, and suggests he will be a part of a pivotal future episode. It is the same story, from Ed's perspective.

Bobby told Ed that he had made the discovery about his father's message THAT DAY. So, yes, from the perspective of the storyline as it's being presented to us, we are seeing time jumps.

 

 
Posted : 07/08/2017 10:34 am
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

Here's the thing...

If you take what's happening to DougieCoop as the baseline, it could well be all the other stuff is something like:

3 days earlier...

or

Last week...

but without the helpful titles to tell you this.

Just because one scene follows another doesn't mean to say that's the order they happened in.  And yes, Pulp Fiction.  One of my all time favourites.  Why anyone would want to re-cut it chronologically is beyond me.

I also see Burroughs (though not as technically explicit, more so thematically and sensorially all with the narrative climax in mind):

"[...] I have used an extension of the cut up method I call "the fold in method"-A page of text-my own or some one else's-is folded down the middle and placed on another page- The composite text is then read across half one text and half the other-The fold in method extends to writing the flash back used in films, enabling the writer to move backwards and forwards on his time track-For example I take page one and fold it into page one hundred-I insert the resulting composite as page ten-When the reader reads page ten he is flashing forwards in time to page one hundred and back in time to page one-The deja vu phenomena can so be produced to order-(This method is of course used in music where we are continually moved backwards and forward on the time track by repetition and rearrangement of musical themes-
In using the fold in method I edit delete and rearrange as in any other method of composition-I have frequently had the experience of writing some pages of straight narrative text which were then folded in with other pages and found that the fold ins were clearer and more comprehensible than the original texts-Perfectly clear narrative prose can be produced using the fold in method-Best results are usually obtained by placing pages dealing with similar subjects in juxtaposition." 

Yet Lynch (and Frost) also likes to add duality and opposition to further enhance his running theme/subject: mystery. 

 
Posted : 07/08/2017 10:56 am
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Posted by: Matthew Gladney
Posted by: Jocelyn Rowe
Posted by: Sammy Weir

Bobby said to Big Ed that they had found something left by his father earlier today. Timeline for the episodes is all over the place. Hoping for a blu-ray option to watch them in the right order.

I don't really see some of these as "time jumps." This is simply when Bobby told Ed about. It brings Ed into the show, and suggests he will be a part of a pivotal future episode. It is the same story, from Ed's perspective.

Bobby told Ed that he had made the discovery about his father's message THAT DAY. So, yes, from the perspective of the storyline as it's being presented to us, we are seeing time jumps.

 

I know he said it was that day. My point was i can't see that it matters or that it constitutes some confusing "jump" in time. Ed learned something was up around the same time Bobby and the others did. Good to know. We have been waiting for Ed.

Much of what I read isn't linear either so this feels normal.

 
Posted : 07/08/2017 7:24 pm
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Actually I thought about this today, 'cause I also noticed that Detective Fusco, when presenting Coops fingerprints, pointed out that they belonged to a guy (Mr. C) who escaped a prison just two days earlier. I don't know if it's just me, but I personally thought that the Mr. C plotline was waaaaay past that prison escape in episode 7 (?). 

Well, two days ago I watched Dunkirk, and the different timelines in the movie made me think. In the movie we follow three different "plotlines" with three different timelines. The first takes place in the span of a week, the second in a day, and the third in an hour, but they all merge together in the final scenes. 

It might, in my opinion, seem like we could definitely be dealing with something similar here. That Mr. C's plotline may be taking place in a larger time frame than the Twin Peaks and "Dougie" plotlines, but they all meet and merge at the end. What do you guys think?

(I've been trying to keep up with the posts and discussions on the site since episode 1, I really don't hope this has already been brought up, but I highly doubt that I've been the first though ?)

 
Posted : 08/08/2017 5:12 pm
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I'm still not sold by the time jump theory. Other than some scenes might take place at a slightly different time, much like any normal jump between characters in most series. 

Could be eating my words soon of course 🙂

 
Posted : 08/08/2017 5:16 pm
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Posted by: Jocelyn Rowe
Posted by: Matthew Gladney
Posted by: Jocelyn Rowe
Posted by: Sammy Weir

Bobby said to Big Ed that they had found something left by his father earlier today. Timeline for the episodes is all over the place. Hoping for a blu-ray option to watch them in the right order.

I don't really see some of these as "time jumps." This is simply when Bobby told Ed about. It brings Ed into the show, and suggests he will be a part of a pivotal future episode. It is the same story, from Ed's perspective.

Bobby told Ed that he had made the discovery about his father's message THAT DAY. So, yes, from the perspective of the storyline as it's being presented to us, we are seeing time jumps.

 

I know he said it was that day. My point was i can't see that it matters or that it constitutes some confusing "jump" in time. Ed learned something was up around the same time Bobby and the others did. Good to know. We have been waiting for Ed.

Much of what I read isn't linear either so this feels normal.

We've seen Bobby deal with the shootings at the diner and the weird puking kid in between so either the shooting wasn't in a linear timeline or the big Ed scene isn't.

 
Posted : 09/08/2017 7:01 pm
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