So about the ring:
- Mr C wants Ray to wear it before he dies....Ray ends up in the red room, can we assume that the ring's purpose is to create a doppleganger now? those who wear it end up in the lodge and create a dopple?
- if mr C wears the ring Bob comes out....we know that because Jeffries wants "to be " with Bob and asked Ray to put it on Mr C 's finger after he is dead...Also we know a body with the ringer cant have bob inside from FWWM
- someone gave the ring to Ray...who? I remember seeing a weird green light outside the cell on the night they escaped...I guess maybe it was the ring shining?
- what other purposes could the ring bear?
It was also a way of Mr. C. sending a message to Mike that the plan failed.
Ray said a guard gave it to him as he left ( maybe not a real guard ).
The thing I wondered about was Ray saying that Jeffries had told him to put it on Mr C after he'd killed him. But Mr C got Ray to wear it before he shot him - and then once he was dead, the ring vanished and we saw it back in the red room.
Does something different happen if the person is wearing it at the time of their death? Or if no-one's sure wouldn't Jeffries have played it safe & made sure that it was on Mr C before he died? Assuming he was at gunpoint, surely it would be easy enough to get him to put it on...?
Mr. C. is a doppelganger from the BL, so it would affect him differently than a human.
The thing I wondered about was Ray saying that Jeffries had told him to put it on Mr C after he'd killed him. But Mr C got Ray to wear it before he shot him - and then once he was dead, the ring vanished and we saw it back in the red room.
Does something different happen if the person is wearing it at the time of their death? Or if no-one's sure wouldn't Jeffries have played it safe & made sure that it was on Mr C before he died? Assuming he was at gunpoint, surely it would be easy enough to get him to put it on...?
There may be a limited time frame after death where the ring will still transport the person to the waiting room or black lodge. Jeffries would know there wasn't a chance Ray could just slip that ring on to MrC while he was alive.
So about the ring:
- Mr C wants Ray to wear it before he dies....Ray ends up in the red room, can we assume that the ring's purpose is to create a doppleganger now? those who wear it end up in the lodge and create a dopple?
- if mr C wears the ring Bob comes out....we know that because Jeffries wants "to be " with Bob and asked Ray to put it on Mr C 's finger after he is dead...Also we know a body with the ringer cant have bob inside from FWWM
- someone gave the ring to Ray...who? I remember seeing a weird green light outside the cell on the night they escaped...I guess maybe it was the ring shining?
- what other purposes could the ring bear?
1. The ring's purpose is to collect souls for the Lodge/waiting room, as I understood it from FWWM. Laura had the opportunity to refuse it (and was even instructed to do so) but did not - if she had, she would have been possessed by BOB. Instead, she chose her only other alternative.
2. Placing the ring on Mr. C would simply send him back to the Lodge (as he is presumably soulless), and he's been fighting this and even created "Dougie" in order to avoid being sent "home".
3. I dunno.
4. Soul collection and transport to the Lodge/waiting room are the only functions that I can conjure based on current info.
My question: Why wasn't T. Banks in the Lodge/waiting room? She had the ring on when she was murdered by Leland. Isn't she supposed to make an appearance this season? What happens if you put the ring on in the Lodge/waiting area? Nada?
And this may not even be Jeffries at work (though my heart would sing to see Bowie's face one last time). This may be MIKE acting in the guise of Jeffries to get Mr. C back into the Lodge, in order to avoid Armageddon of course. Not sure why MIKE cares about Armageddon, though. What IS MIKE's motivation in fighting for Coop? Just to bring down BOB? Seems to me BOB may have left Mr. C when the woodsmen dug him out? I think that MIKE has bigger fish to fry than BOB, but I don't understand it at all. The simplicity of the first season is moot.
I don't think Mike's intentions are good.
I think he wants to be with Bob again.
Mr. C was not his plan but the arms. He may have lied when he said he saw the face of God.
The ring marries those who wear it with the Arm. I guess by putting it on Mr. C Mike expected to put the Doppelganger and possibly even Bob under his control forever. And maybe putting the ring on Mr. C might have taken away from him his woodsmen health care insurance. Plus I agree putting it on Ray was a way to show Mike his plan failed. No idea of the differences between putting it on someone before or after he dies.
Also, I'm wondering if the marriage Audrey is stuck in doesn't somehow mirror the fate of those married to the arm (maybe I'm just biased because of Charlie's short stature).
The idea being that Mr. C. would never willingly put the ring on while he is "alive." My question is this: What can actually kill Mr. C? We've already seen him shot, and he was brought back to life by the dirty bearded woodsmen. He has superhuman strength. He's a billionaire. He understands cell phones. Dougie can barely say "cherry pie."
Dougie was wearing it with Jade and then, in the chair as he deflated, it fell to the floor and was placed on The Table. Somehow it then got to Ray. But forget the Ring for a second and look at Laura's brooch. That's a lot of jade and gold spheres (ala birth of Laura and what remains of Dougie in the Lodge).
The idea being that Mr. C. would never willingly put the ring on while he is "alive." My question is this: What can actually kill Mr. C? We've already seen him shot, and he was brought back to life by the dirty bearded woodsmen. He has superhuman strength. He's a billionaire. He understands cell phones. Dougie can barely say "cherry pie."
Perhaps only another 'immortal' can kill him. Is Good Coop an immortal? Maybe he was created by the Giant/Fireman. We see that he has access to what is believed to be the White Lodge when he's sitting with the Giant in ep 1.
It also occurred to me that Good Coop / Dougie is somehow 'protected.' He's like Walking Karma. Even in an unknowing state he apparently cannot be injured or harmed b/c he is INTRINSICALLY GOOD. His presence bends the bad intentions of those around him towards good. Or at minimum, they are foiled in their evil plans.
Re: the Ring, I do think Mike is trying to help engineer the return of Bad Coop to the Lodge. I don't think this makes Mike necessarily "good" or "bad." It could just be that the rules of the lodge are the rules, and it's someone else's turn to host Bob. Like Jeffries, or anyone else. But Bad Coop wants to pretty much run the show and overthrow the current order.
I don't think Mike's intentions are good.
I think he wants to be with Bob again.
Mr. C was not his plan but the arms. He may have lied when he said he saw the face of God.
Mike is definitely not 'good' and does want to be with BOB again, its not that he doesnt try to be good or denounce BOB, but just the way he goes about it that makes him in league with BOB, exchanging garmanbozia with BOB after Laura's death(as crippled by his own arm) and above the convenience store, making the circle complete(the intercourse between the two, white surface and black within).
Mike cut off his arm because he wanted to stop what he was doing, thus handicapping himself and is unable to realize any good, all he is trying to do then is 'sober out', while after a while he has a 'relapse', takes garmanbozia without his 'chemicals', because he never takes that extra step of realizing the good, disobeying nature and the tyrannous rule of Mr. C/BOB/billionaire. Mr. C puts the ring on Ray, 'ending his story', getting him to accept that Mr. C/billionaire rule is nature, (people are wild and bad, thus you have to accept the imposition of tyranny, just the way it is, this is nature(green formica table), just enjoy what you can(gold), gamble, hope you get lucky and hit a jackpot, otherwise its rancho rosa for you, just how it is). Mike has accepted did 'see God', but mistook him for Mr. C and BOB, since they are controlling what happens in the world, he doesnt challenge this, but sort of cynically accepts that this is just how things are. Mike thus sits with BOB on opposite side of the green formica table, deciding the world, one side white(Mike) and the other side black(BOB); wearing the ring means accepting the reign of this kind of world of tyranny imposed by Mr. C/billionaires, and the white/Mike, gives you a 'nice' way to accept this as nature(green) and try to enjoy within it(gold). To even be able to see any kind of 'good', one would not identify god with these tyrants, but with the existing antagonisms that have faced injustice at the hands of this world(Laura's tragedy, Bobby, Ed, Audrey, Sarah). You would have to accept that God is in the world in the drive to 'right wrongs', and that people are responsible for realizing this as ethical duty, etc., is not just 'out there' in a far away while the world is here and something separate, something to just accept no matter what it is, if God has power in the world, it is through people, community, the 'story' that is genuine and not a compromise with tyranny, injustice, etc..
We get many examples of Mike's evil in this episode. First the hero of the Dougie situation was Anthony Sinclair, who broke out of the cycle of tribal war between the two mafia groups and saved Dougies life, he himself was trying to do good. But then his is crying to Bushnell and Dougie as if he is guilty to them, when they are the ones still involved in the world of criminality and 'perks', they are only upset when it cuts against them, then cover over who is involved with it when it benefits them, giving it a comfortable 'spin' that makes it seem 'not that bad'(Dougie was not the one that was going to be sent to prison, even though he was also a criminal, Bushnell is now in with a mafia group, taking presents, etc.). If Bushnell and Dougie were really 'good', they would have been like Anthony saying, 'I want to either change or die', forget the mafia, etc., instead they are just dumping their own guilt onto Anthony so they can pretend they are still 'golden' and can continue.
We also have Norma/Shelly: Walter comes around telling her to 'compromise her pies', since the way of the world demands that you charge more and give worse pies in order for the profit to flow. Norma doesnt like this, but is eventually seduced by the idea, since Walter is telling her how the world is, 'just how it is' even twin peaks RR will have to go, no more special pies, give up that dream of 'old twin peaks', the community, etc. telling her to 'join Walter for dinner' and 'end her story', take the green ring(this is how it is) and enjoy what you can like this(gold), but no more special pies, just service the money flow to Mr. C/Billionaires, you can try and be a small one, if you end up in rancho rosa, your fault, just how it is, nothing you can do, but we do it, we control it, Mr. C doesnt take the ring, but kills people and makes them take the ring, 'ends their story', they no longer try to make 'special pies', just accept Mr. C/billionaires as ruler. This is how Norma and Shelly always end up with criminals or sleazy people and destroy love, dont let it exist, since there is always an 'evil man' who will ruin it, just how it is, love isnt real and special pies arent real(like Chad who believes that the logs are a joke, and 'just enjoys this beautiful day'), just evil men, thus they end up always going with those types(Mr. C/Billionaires, Leo, etc.). Theve got golden shovels.
Also, I'm wondering if the marriage Audrey is stuck in doesn't somehow mirror the fate of those married to the arm (maybe I'm just biased because of Charlie's short stature).
Interesting thought.
Is there just one ring? I was under the impression there were several.
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