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(@elad-repooc)
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In a way, that scene has something in common with things that have happened over the past year or two. A situation where someone confidently lets someone else challenge them because they're sure they can't lose, but then they do lose. It's sort of like when the British Prime Minister was like, okay, let's have a referendum to see if people want to leave the EU. There's no way most people will vote for that....oh shit! They did! I'm outta here!.... Then the replacement Prime Minister was like, let's have a general election to prove most people like me...oh shit! They don't! But I'm gonna stay anyway, so shut up!

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Topic starter Posted : 09/08/2017 2:15 am
(@arcadesonfire)
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Posted by: dude
Posted by: kdawg68

I'm still baffled that Ray didn't protest more to the notion of bringing EvilCoop up there.  

"That's the dude that I totally shot, and then ghost men came and did something and now he's here again."

"Interesting.  I kinda want to wrestle him."

"Sounds totally reasonable to me." 

Out of everything the return of Twin Peaks has given us, the entire scene with Mr. C arriving and the arm wrestling that ensued was easily my least favorite part of what we've seen so far (with the possible exception of James' encore at the Roadhouse).  The whole thing seemed so contrived.  There is a giant gang of men with guns ready to put Mr. C down ... unless he can beat the big muscled man in an arm wrestling contest.  In that case, he becomes leader of the entire gang whom he doesn't know and who doesn't know him.  The whole thing was forced nonsense in my opinion.


Whenever I see that kind of "forced nonsense" in a Lynch film, I'm pretty sure he's emulating b-movie style. It's bad on purpose; it's tongue in cheek. One of my favorite scenes ever is when we first meet the hit man in Mulholland Drive. Before the Rube Goldberg machine of killings begins, the dialogue between the two men is so empty; it's filler; it's forced; its b-movie, tongue in cheek material. 

That was my view of many of the love scenes in the original TP (including James's song!!)--and to contrast that against scenes of masterful acting, photography, etc, is what makes Lynch the director he is TO ME. 

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Posted : 09/08/2017 9:39 am
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There was something likable about Ray, but Richard is an irredeemable little creep. They have a similar smallish build though.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 9:57 am
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Totally! I was thinking the same about this bunch of idiots, criminals wannabes. Who serve actually as a footstool for one big boss and do not care who this boss is. Kinda great company for this asshole Richard who's badass only when confronting weaker than himself: children, women, grandma(!).

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Posted : 09/08/2017 11:01 am
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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

Whenever I see that kind of "forced nonsense" in a Lynch film, I'm pretty sure he's emulating b-movie style. It's bad on purpose; it's tongue in cheek.

I completely agree, and I've always felt this way about those types of scenes.  However, that doesn't change the fact that, to me, this was easily the worst scene of the series so far.  I'm not trying to make that claim for everybody who watches Twin Peaks, and I understand what people are saying, but it doesn't change my opinion.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 11:17 am
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Posted by: Chris Gorgon

I'm pretty sure that Lynch and Frost are poking a lot of fun at the low budget action movie genre. Think Transporter, Expendables, Hong Kong actioners, etc.

The color palette is all greys and muted colors like you see in some of those films, and the set is one of those empty abandoned buildings that always seem to house the bad guys. And just look at them...they're all straight out of tomato can thug central casting with their outfits and obvious lack of brains.

And what do these supposed bad-a$$es with all those guns and machismo do at the big confrontation? Kung-fu battle royale? MMA style fight inside some arena in the basement ringed by a chain link fence? Brawl on the roof with nailed bats or chainsaws? No.

They arm wrestle. At a table. To see who's boss. Funny stuff.

Mr C's comment about Kindergarten may be telling us what Lynch and Frost think about that genre.

Yep. That's my thought about the arm wrestling. Lynch makes fun of different genres in different scenes, and sometimes he blatantly tells us. Invitation to Love told us that TP 1 was making fun of soap operas (while also culling some sincerity from the genre). It's a glorious mixed up mix.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 11:34 am
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As for Richard...

Yeah, I've thought Richard, Ray, and Red have similar looks. Cooper is different cuz he's got black hair.* I don't think the looks are necessarily a sign of lineage, and I feel like it's the makeup (especially on Ray) that make the cheeks look like they do.

Instead, that scene gave me "confirmation" that Richard is Mr. C's son. As Richard walked up to the TV set to watch Mr. C, he looked on with such wonder and admiration. Considering that in the last episode, Ben Horne had the long soliloquy about the importance of fathers and his admiration for his own, it seemed to me like here was Richard looking at someone worthy of a father figure. Young Richard (who hates being called "boy") is admiring this essence of machismo, and plenty of young men do that--certainly not all. This season explored Good Cooper's childhood fascination with lawmen, cowboys, and innocence, and maybe this Richard scene is counterbalancing that?

OK, I'm probably reading too much into it at the last few sentences there. Nevertheless, between Ben Horne's talk last week and how Richard was looking at Mr. C this week, it seemed to confirm to me that Mr. C is Richard's father.

 

*Kyle Maclachlan walked right in front of me on 7th ave in NYC a few weeks ago, straight out of a building and into a car. I wasn't sure at first if it was him, and I was too nervous to say, "Mr. Maclachlan, thank you for your work"--though I wish I had!! After the moment had passed and I turned around and saw him getting in the car, yeknow what confirmed 100% that it was Kyle Maclachlan?? His chin. It's spherical..... Am I a celebrity stalker for looking back and wishing to god/?????? that I had said hello and thank you? Wellp, I'll take that regret to my grave.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 11:45 am
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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

*Kyle Maclachlan walked right in front of me on 7th ave in NYC a few weeks ago, straight out of a building and into a car. I wasn't sure at first if it was him, and I was too nervous to say, "Mr. Maclachlan, thank you for your work"--though I wish I had!! After the moment had passed and I turned around and saw him getting in the car, yeknow what confirmed 100% that it was Kyle Maclachlan?? His chin. It's spherical..... Am I a celebrity stalker for looking back and wishing to god/?????? that I had said hello and thank you? Wellp, I'll take that regret to my grave.

Maybe you shouldn't regret it. It could have been Evil Kyle.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 8:09 pm
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Posted by: Gretchen Denaro
Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

*Kyle Maclachlan walked right in front of me on 7th ave in NYC a few weeks ago, straight out of a building and into a car. I wasn't sure at first if it was him, and I was too nervous to say, "Mr. Maclachlan, thank you for your work"--though I wish I had!! After the moment had passed and I turned around and saw him getting in the car, yeknow what confirmed 100% that it was Kyle Maclachlan?? His chin. It's spherical..... Am I a celebrity stalker for looking back and wishing to god/?????? that I had said hello and thank you? Wellp, I'll take that regret to my grave.

Maybe you shouldn't regret it. It could have been Evil Kyle.

I woulda lost my nose!

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Posted : 09/08/2017 8:10 pm
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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk
Posted by: Gretchen Denaro
Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

*Kyle Maclachlan walked right in front of me on 7th ave in NYC a few weeks ago, straight out of a building and into a car. I wasn't sure at first if it was him, and I was too nervous to say, "Mr. Maclachlan, thank you for your work"--though I wish I had!! After the moment had passed and I turned around and saw him getting in the car, yeknow what confirmed 100% that it was Kyle Maclachlan?? His chin. It's spherical..... Am I a celebrity stalker for looking back and wishing to god/?????? that I had said hello and thank you? Wellp, I'll take that regret to my grave.

Maybe you shouldn't regret it. It could have been Evil Kyle.

I woulda lost my nose!

Or gotten the face rub of death.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 10:34 pm
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Mr C and Coop both have remarkably dark hair, given their assumed ages, and Kyle M's real age.  Must be all that Lodge voodoo.  Or something.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 11:02 pm
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This is a stretch but Richard could also be Donna Hayward's son. It was hinted in season 2 that Ben Horne could be her father. Who knows what happened to these people in 25 years, maybe Ben recognized Donna as her daughter? 

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Posted : 09/08/2017 11:11 pm
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It seemed to me that not only was Richard fascinated with Mr. C, but it also seemed like as he passed by the surveillance camera at the closest point, Mr. C was looking at Richard (because lodge beings can do that kind of thing.) Not like he was just 'noticing' the camera, but actually looking right back at Richard.

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Posted : 10/08/2017 6:02 pm
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Yep, it did seem that the "Abyss gazes also".

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Posted : 10/08/2017 6:13 pm
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Posted by: dude
Posted by: kdawg68

I'm still baffled that Ray didn't protest more to the notion of bringing EvilCoop up there.  

"That's the dude that I totally shot, and then ghost men came and did something and now he's here again."

"Interesting.  I kinda want to wrestle him."

"Sounds totally reasonable to me." 

Out of everything the return of Twin Peaks has given us, the entire scene with Mr. C arriving and the arm wrestling that ensued was easily my least favorite part of what we've seen so far (with the possible exception of James' encore at the Roadhouse).  The whole thing seemed so contrived.  There is a giant gang of men with guns ready to put Mr. C down ... unless he can beat the big muscled man in an arm wrestling contest.  In that case, he becomes leader of the entire gang whom he doesn't know and who doesn't know him.  The whole thing was forced nonsense in my opinion.

In Lynch' universe... if you are a "bad man", you are an idiot... so, for me makes perfect sense all the stupid rules they have, and the mistakes they make.... the hitman in Moolholand D, dumbland (he is violent and love kill things), look Richard, Chad, the Farm gang, Ike, Tony... Hutch and Chantal seems to be preeeeeety preeeeeety goooood (so far)

I mean... If you are good, you go on your own... If you follow a man just because he beat you in some arm wrestling... come on! I think that is some kind of statement "If you are bad person, you are an asshole"

Even Mr C is inteligent enough to dosn't want be their boss.(althoug, I think hes gonna use them)

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Posted : 10/08/2017 7:17 pm
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