Familiar locations are different and fire places lost  

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(@olof)
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Like others probably already have noticed the familiar places we return to in twin peaks are similar but some what different from how they looked in s.1-and 2. The RR diner has a little diffrent decor (maybe what you can expect after 25 years) but  the most striking example is Ben Hornes office that still has the characteristic big desk with the same native american wall painting behind it  but besides from that the room is similar but diffrent, its much more narrow and the main door opens up to a different locaition than it did in the previous seasons. The lamps are similar but not the same and the main door use to have two stairs at the base. What's also interisting is that the great fire place to the right of the desk is gone. Why wasn't the room created the same in this season?  Another lost, or in this case maybe covered or barred up fire place is the one in Sara Palmers house. Where the fire place use to be there is now a wide screen TV. 

What to make of this? I dont know 🙂 . I guess it relates to fire/electricity in some way.. The log lady states that she barred up her fire place presumably because her log is "afraid of fire". 

Greetings from Sweden

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Posted : 13/08/2017 11:48 am
(@b-randy)
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I kept thinking the Palmer's living room looked different and not just because of the excess of empty vodka bottles.  I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thank you for posting the pics.

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Posted : 13/08/2017 12:19 pm
(@olof)
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It's been pointed out in discussions regarding old TP that Ben Horne's office in some ways mirrors the red room/black lodge. There is the globe, the saturn mark, the floor lamps etc. But i think it's fair to say that in this season it is more prudent than ever.  The floor lamps posted on each side of the door in Ben's office are sort of in transition between the lamps that was there in S.1- and 2  and the floor lamps in the red room/black lodge. Also new to the room are two big leather chairs in front of the desk, not equivalent but similar to the chairs in the lodge.

If you go with the symbolism here its also interesting how Jerry Horne (who in the early episodes recides in Ben's office) mirrors Coop/Dougie journey out of the lodge/office and into the 'real' world. They both seem equally disoriented. 

Greetings from Sweden

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Posted : 13/08/2017 1:22 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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It's possible she put the telly in front of the fireplace.  We never get a clear shot of that area.  

But anyhow, different locations and it'd probably have cost too much to replicate the originals to a fine level of detail.  ISTR reading the original location for Ben's office wasn't available.

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Posted : 13/08/2017 1:52 pm
(@olof)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

It's possible she put the telly in front of the fireplace.  We never get a clear shot of that area.  

But anyhow, different locations and it'd probably have cost too much to replicate the originals to a fine level of detail.  ISTR reading the original location for Ben's office wasn't available.

Yes i think you are right about Sara Palmer put her TV in front of the fireplace!  What i find interesting thou is that we only get short glimses from the town of Twin Peaks and for some reason Lynch/Frost decided not to recreate some of these iconic locations to look the way they use to. Similar but not exaktly the same. With all the strange glitches in time(line) I find it significant that there is also something slightley 'wrong' about the the town itself compared to how we remember it. 

Greetings from Sweden

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Posted : 13/08/2017 2:28 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Budget, most likely.

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Posted : 13/08/2017 2:46 pm
(@olof)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

Budget, most likely.

Yes, I dunno. All of  the budget spent on the bands at the roadhouse? 🙂 

For me watching TP and the movies by Lynch what i like most is the fine eye for detail and the atmosphere of strange scenes and locations. I admit it might be wishful thinking but I choose to believe there is a thought behind all the strange incoherences occurring thru out the season.  

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Posted : 13/08/2017 3:04 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Just a guess but maybe the bands agreed to appear for the standard TV rate.  And as for having those acts anyhow, I guess it's because the sound design aspect is all part of the whole story; music, noises, fx, the works.  Without the bands, the thing doesn't fit with the vision.

Sets... well, they're just a convenient thing for the actors to move around in.  Make it close enough and you're good to go.  If rebuilding a set to the exact spec as an old version means you have to lose an hour or so of story, or you can't have a particular actor, the set loses.

There's a very good argument that any well written story can be told/acted on an empty stage with almost no props.  Sure, there are certain things in TP that wouldn't work - not without some serious revision anyhow - but the main story could be told that way.  I've seen a guy with his arm held out, standing in for a door, and two actors holding flashlights to represent a car, for example.

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Posted : 13/08/2017 3:22 pm
(@lucas_bracci)
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The Palmer's living room is the same in both pictures, because David Lynch filmed all the interiors of the pilot, of FWWM and of season 3 in the same house in the city of Everett, WA.

The flat TV is of course in front of the fireplace.

I did not noticed last week the number of pill bottles and a pillbox in the room !

 

 

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Posted : 13/08/2017 3:36 pm
(@natural-log-e)
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Posted by: Olof Bandh

It's been pointed out in discussions regarding old TP that Ben Horne's office in some ways mirrors the red room/black lodge. There is the globe, the saturn mark, the floor lamps etc. But i think it's fair to say that in this season it is more prudent than ever.  The floor lamps posted on each side of the door in Ben's office are sort of in transition between the lamps that was there in S.1- and 2  and the floor lamps in the red room/black lodge. Also new to the room are two big leather chairs in front of the desk, not equivalent but similar to the chairs in the lodge.

If you go with the symbolism here its also interesting how Jerry Horne (who in the early episodes recides in Ben's office) mirrors Coop/Dougie journey out of the lodge/office and into the 'real' world. They both seem equally disoriented. 

After the Pilot episode, all the interiors were shot on sound-stage sets that were built for the show. They filmed the interior Great Northern scenes on Bainbridge Island at the Kiana Lodge for the Pilot. Ben's office is never shown in the Pilot. As a matter of fact, Ben is seen in the lobby by a fireplace with Leland sitting on a sofa in front of it; in the conference room with the Norwegians talking about Sven's airsacs never feeling so good; back in the lobby learning about Laura from Leland; and, lastly, in the very end, hanging up the telephone after telling Catherine that they need to get together to talk about Sheriff Truman I coming over to see Josie in a sort of mid-angle close-up in front of a stone wall and painting. Ben's part in the Pilot was fairly small. And of course Jerry doesn't show up until episode 2 with the sandwiches.

My opinion? Lynch/Frost used the conference room in the Kiana Lodge for Ben's office this go around; you know, the one where Audrey told the Norwegians about her dear friend being brutally murdered? Then again, that room had lots of windowed doors. So the second best option is another interior room there; because that's where all that fantastic Squamish wall art is painted. All the show's built sets were dismantled at the end of the show and repurposed or reused for other shows.

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Posted : 13/08/2017 5:06 pm
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