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(@rilly_rill)
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This is interesting.....in Sherilyn Fenn's Showtime show, Rude Awakening her name is Billy Frank. Here is IMDb's plot summary--Billie Frank, an out of work alcoholic actress, used to be somewhat of a star in her day, but now she's all washed up. With the help of her mother, Trudy, Billie tries to pick up the pieces of her life and move on. 

Reminds me of, "Has anyone seen Billy!?" Was Lynch saying something to Sherilyn in her role in the Return? 

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Posted : 08/08/2017 3:03 am
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Posted by: colinblackrock

I think she's in a coma still. She can get the basics of what's going on plot-wise. Information is seeping into her consciousness, pieced together as if she's aware of a one sided telephone call. She understands that someone is missing, that someone is Cooper. She understands that Richard has done something, but she knows him as Chuck. I think we'll see someone at her bedside talking her through this. She is afraid to go to the Roadhouse. The Roadhouse is waking up, when she goes there she'll come to. If Charlie ends her story, they'll pull the plug.

Agreed with your assessment. The two Audrey scenes exist in her comatose sub-conscious. That's why she does not recall who she is nor does she mention any members of her family

I have a feeling that the Dougie Coop scenes in Vegas also happen inside his comatose sub-conscious as well, as all the things happened to him so far are too good to be true if they're happening in real life - working, hitting jackpots, willingly handing over $30 Million to a bunch of gangsters then got treated well by them, having sex, etc- while almost constantly being in a near veggie state.

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Posted : 08/08/2017 8:27 am
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The two Audrey scenes remind me of the coma/dream scenes during the Soprano's episodes, Join the Club and Mayham. In these episodes Tony Soprano, in a dreamlike state, envisions himself as a traveling salesman and, towards the end of the dream, is being motivated to enter a light-festooned house, assuring Tony that "everyone's here" and that he is "coming home"; but he also tells Tony that he must first let go of his "business" and hand over his briefcase. 

It seems like the Roadhouse could have a similar significance to the house Tony is being asked to enter. It's also interesting that the Soprano's is considered the beginning of the golden age of modern television dramas, a time for television that Twin Peaks is reputedly known for inspiring.

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Posted : 08/08/2017 11:55 am
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

 I have rather clear and precise diction - for a Northern Monkey, that is 

Definitely a contradiction in terms there. 

(Southern Fairy joke)

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Posted : 08/08/2017 12:40 pm
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Posted by: Myn0k
Posted by: SamXTherapy

 I have rather clear and precise diction - for a Northern Monkey, that is 

Definitely a contradiction in terms there. 

(Southern Fairy joke)

Away and bugger yersen, ye soft southern shandy drinker!

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Posted : 08/08/2017 12:43 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Karen
Posted by: groovy-llama-fan

Gender is an oppressive social construct, not a state of mind. I've never heard of anyone stating that they 'feel' like a certain gender without basing it on patriarchal stereotypes.

Stereotypes and rigid gender-roles are oppressive. How someone feels about themself is not. Being a transgender person I know the subject very well.

That's an interesting statement.  Genuinely; I am not being facetious, ironic or anything other than straightforward.  The reason I say so is because, if I were to say I felt like any gender at all, it is definitely male.  That's not to say I always conform to what society considers male, but rather I've never even considered myself to be anything other than what I am.

Bless you and your gendered feelings, DepSamTx. You are just fine exactly as you are.

Thanks!  You're a good sort, too.

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Posted : 08/08/2017 12:50 pm
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Posted by: 1stDragonarse

I think "Coma" is too easy. Sorry, I know many of you support that idea and have many, many good thoughts on this whole Audrey business. I think it's simpler, and deviously more complex at the same time. Ben could not risk the 'Great Northern' by having his reputation spoiled with Audrey's knowledge of his prior deeds. Ben is now paying "Charlie" to keep Audrey in a stupor. Oh Ben, what have you done mister!

 

 

 

 

I agree with this. I rolled my eyes when I first read the coma theory, though admittedly I've become somewhat invested in it now.  I'm not 100% convinced though, because it is a big cliché device. Been done too many times. 

For that reason I'm also dubious about the multiple timelines / time sync theory, also because it has been done before and very well, most recently on Westworld. 

People are still also making two assumptions:

1 - Mr C raped Audrey

2 - Richard is Audrey's mother. 

While no. 2 is the most likely scenario, it's still not been confirmed. 

It's possible that Audrey has lost her mind and Ben has opted to hire Charlie as a strange, alternative live-in psychiatrist. It's possible she's dead already. It's possible the camera will pan out to reveal a film set. 

I'm trying to keep an open mind. Of course, it could be a coma and I'll be wrong, like I have been with every theory ive thought you so far 😀

I do wonder if Dougie and Audrey need to rekindle some attraction to each other. As if suggesting they were always meant to be. But even that sounds too obvious to me. 

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Posted : 08/08/2017 12:56 pm
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Following on from that, and tied to Audrey's existential crisis, or angst... although I've never felt like anything other than myself, I'm not entirely sure who "Myself" is, other than a consciousness inside this particular body, the two of 'em being part of the whole thing.  All of that being added to the sum total of stuff I've done and the stuff I'm going to do.

At my age I rarely surprise myself, although I guess I still could.  My biggest, most life altering realizations came shortly after my first marriage crashed and burned.  Genuine revelations happened, and for the most part, pleasant ones.

Internally, I don't even have a name.  An identity, a sense of self but no convenient label to hang on it.  I guess it's like the world view of the simplest creatures, a world of "Me" and "Not Me".  I couldn't even tell you where the conscious part stops and the simple stimulus/response begins, or the other way around.

So, coma or not, Audrey may not be so daft as to question her sense of self.  It may not be productive to her situation at the moment but as an intellectual exercise, it probably does no harm and may even do some good.

To steal a quote from Emmanuel Kant, "Ee lad, it's a rum do, and no chuffing mistake".

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Posted : 08/08/2017 1:01 pm
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Posted by: Myn0k
Posted by: 1stDragonarse

I think "Coma" is too easy. Sorry, I know many of you support that idea and have many, many good thoughts on this whole Audrey business. I think it's simpler, and deviously more complex at the same time. Ben could not risk the 'Great Northern' by having his reputation spoiled with Audrey's knowledge of his prior deeds. Ben is now paying "Charlie" to keep Audrey in a stupor. Oh Ben, what have you done mister!

 

 

 

It's possible the camera will pan out to reveal a film set. 

I'm with you guys that a coma seems a little too simple.  I've come around to the idea that something is going on, though.  Kinda have to at this point.  

The film set idea -- or even better, a TV studio -- is very interesting and would tie in with some the commentary Lynch and Frost have been making throughout.  My only reservation there is that's a lighter explanation and I think Audrey is someplace much darker.  

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Posted : 08/08/2017 2:14 pm
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Posted by: Audrey Horne

Agreed with your assessment. The two Audrey scenes exist in her comatose sub-conscious. That's why she does not recall who she is nor does she mention any members of her family

I have a feeling that the Dougie Coop scenes in Vegas also happen inside his comatose sub-conscious as well, as all the things happened to him so far are too good to be true if they're happening in real life - working, hitting jackpots, willingly handing over $30 Million to a bunch of gangsters then got treated well by them, having sex, etc- while almost constantly being in a near veggie state.

Interesting idea about Dougie - except for Jade mailing the key to the Great Northern, and Ben receiving it.  I keep thinking "Mulholland Drive" and how the main character is fighting to keep the dream-version of her life going, and losing.  But for both Audrey and Dougie, they can't seem to break out of a condition or situation they don't understand.

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Posted : 08/08/2017 2:17 pm
(@myn0k)
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Saw this quote online:

"Lynch himself has said the [black lodge] changes based on the person who enters it, meaning it is, like many afterlives, tailored to your personal fears and desires."

Could Audrey be in the black lodge experiencing her own kind of hell?

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Posted : 08/08/2017 3:20 pm
(@elad-repooc)
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The thing where Audrey doesn't know where she is or even who she is, that's really spooky. Makes me think of DPD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder

Also, the thing where Charlie says he could end her story, that does seem like he's her psychiatrist or therapist and they are doing some kind of role play. 

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Posted : 08/08/2017 3:50 pm
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Posted by: laughingatsky

The thing where Audrey doesn't know where she is or even who she is, that's really spooky. Makes me think of DPD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder

Also, the thing where Charlie says he could end her story, that does seem like he's her psychiatrist or therapist and they are doing some kind of role play. 

Yes, maybe like a guided, hypnotherapy session. Maybe he's trying to get her to face something traumatic that happened to her. 

Or maybe he's trying to get information out of her...

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Posted : 08/08/2017 3:52 pm
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Posted by: Myn0k

Saw this quote online:

"Lynch himself has said the [black lodge] changes based on the person who enters it, meaning it is, like many afterlives, tailored to your personal fears and desires."

Could Audrey be in the black lodge experiencing her own kind of hell?

Wow, never considered that. That would be seriously intense and insane!

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Posted : 08/08/2017 3:52 pm
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(@elad-repooc)
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Posted by: Myn0k
 
People are still also making two assumptions:

1 - Mr C raped Audrey

2 - Richard is Audrey's mother. 

Richard is Audrey's MOTHER? LOL! I know Twin Peaks is full of weird stuff, but...

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Posted : 08/08/2017 3:53 pm
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