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Posted by: Murat Erol Özkan

This was the whole point of Sarah Palmer saying It's a goddamn bad story, isn't it?” and warning the kids, things are not alright in twin peaks precisely because people dealt with the problems that led to the Laura Palmer tragedy by hiding from them and pretending everything was alright, like at Laura's funeral where the community still pretended that everything was great and it was just an accident, while Laura and Bobby knew that Laura was calling for help, while no one cared wouldnt let it bother their self satisfaction and complacency in a rotten world destroying the future.   Carl had to see the problems as problems in order to deal with them(seeing the gold flame over the killed boy), Carl 'doesnt like' people selling their blood, thus is driven to try and fix what is going on.  Miriam has no insurance, Richard has no father, Criskol has to sell his blood, dating is making people vicious, mad and corrupted(they are eating the new jerky), twin peaks kids are becoming 'grade a' students of this life, while people like Jean Michel, Red, and Mr. C capitalize on their growing misery and self destruction; and these are problems that cannot be fixed by just saying, everything is great, that was just some 'bad guy' or mistake, a superhero is going to fix things, the superhero is Mr. C/billionaires. This is why Carl, the manager of a trailer park is one of the 'heros' just by recognizing the problems exist and doing some minimal things about it, having a basic decency and honor rather than hiding.  Another theme has been just hiding the problems(white on the surface, black within), thus normalizing them no matter how bad they get: for instance, Mullins was upset about the corrupt cops and the insurance scam, but the payoff from his 'doubling down' allowed him to get very happy and pretend everything was great in the world, he could live 'viva las vegas' and things are great with Dougie and the Mitchums.  As long as people hit a 'jackpot', they forget about all the problems and repeat them, I think this is why the psychologist was trying to get Audrey to face her problems with her 'husband' instead of running off to the roadhouse in search of a 'quick fix', its ultimately a self-destruction(like we see with that group of 'daters' at the roadhouse) that doesnt even recognize the problems existence, allowing Mr. C/billionaires free reign to drain from everyone, who are trying to be like 'breaking bad', but have no insurance.  Dougie was manufactured as this 'white cover' of Mr. C's 'black within', docile suburbanite pretending things are great as he slowly degrades into rancho rosa with Jade while trying to look up to 'breaking bad' Mr. C/billionaires life, a sort of idealizing crime, not fixing or thinking about the genuine problems emerging, in everyday life under the reign of Mr. C/billionaires, that no one is dealing with(blue rose 'abstractions' arising from unsolvable case which need a new approach), then believing some savior or 'jackpot' is going to fix the downward momentum....end up dead with a stroke in rancho rosa...the superhero coming is some guy caught up in money/power games, looking to kill someone in his way and move on...

My friend, I see you're just about the only person to point out the esoteric meanings behind the material we are seeing, and I enjoy reading your takes on things. Always makes sense. Most people just cannot see through the imagery to piece together this subliminal masterpiece that is Twin Peaks.

We all live in Twin Peaks

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Posted : 02/08/2017 1:15 am
(@trina_jones)
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I believe the doubleheader is Janey e and sonny Jim.  The scene where Coop looks at him very sad kinda hinted he knows what the future is.  I think the Mitchem Bros will be  an alli to Coop.

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Posted : 02/08/2017 1:25 am
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Posted by: Rilly Rill

My friend, I see you're just about the only person to point out the esoteric meanings behind the material we are seeing, and I enjoy reading your takes on things. Always makes sense. Most people just cannot see through the imagery to piece together this subliminal masterpiece that is Twin Peaks.

Cheers

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Posted : 02/08/2017 2:02 am
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I thought this scene sort of paralleled the incident with Richard running over the boy at the 21/Sparkwood intersection a few episodes back.  Only the roles were reversed, and instead of the grieving mother running to the aid of her son, it was the young child being forced to confront the senseless violence visited upon their family member. 

I'm still unclear why Dopplecoop needed to kill the Warden?  What else could he possibly have known?  It seems the Warden would have to answer eventually (and kind of got away easy) with letting Dopplecoop escape the jail.  But what loose end does he represent that required him to die? 

 

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Posted : 02/08/2017 9:33 am
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Posted by: kdawg68

I thought this scene sort of paralleled the incident with Richard running over the boy at the 21/Sparkwood intersection a few episodes back.  Only the roles were reversed, and instead of the grieving mother running to the aid of her son, it was the young child being forced to confront the senseless violence visited upon their family member. 

I'm still unclear why Dopplecoop needed to kill the Warden?  What else could he possibly have known?  It seems the Warden would have to answer eventually (and kind of got away easy) with letting Dopplecoop escape the jail.  But what loose end does he represent that required him to die? 

 

Perhaps he killed him because of the tracking devices on his car. Or simply because BOB is an evil so&so. 

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Posted : 02/08/2017 9:34 am
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Posted by: Steve Moss
Posted by: kdawg68

I thought this scene sort of paralleled the incident with Richard running over the boy at the 21/Sparkwood intersection a few episodes back.  Only the roles were reversed, and instead of the grieving mother running to the aid of her son, it was the young child being forced to confront the senseless violence visited upon their family member. 

I'm still unclear why Dopplecoop needed to kill the Warden?  What else could he possibly have known?  It seems the Warden would have to answer eventually (and kind of got away easy) with letting Dopplecoop escape the jail.  But what loose end does he represent that required him to die? 

 

Perhaps he killed him because of the tracking devices on his car. Or simply because BOB is an evil so&so. 

That seems too easy/obvious.  Of course he would've used tracking devices, but those were no longer a problem to him.  And while Bob is evil, DoppleCoop has somehow amassed a small army of dedicated followers, so he must not just kill everyone for the sake of killing them. 

Dopplecoop mentioned sending the other dog legs out to folks the Warden wouldn't want coming around.  Seems like there was more going on there.  Probably an unimportant red herring, given that the Warden is now dead, but it's also worth noting that he sent Hutch and his wife to kill the Warden FIRST before taking care of the messy business in Vegas, which is where you'd presume his priority would be. 

Then again, he "needs nothing". 

 

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Posted : 02/08/2017 9:56 am
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I feel like Duncan Todd is one-half of the double header, though it could be several people (which has made the speculation in this thread so fun).

Part of me wants to say it'll be Tom Sizemore's character, but then I think he's pretty small potatoes when it comes to the world of Mr. C.

I also don't see how the Mitchum Brothers really fit in to the world of Mr. C. Yeah, I get it, Mr. C. is a kind of businessman, and the Mitchum Brothers are in the casino business. But then that means Mr. C. would have to kill every casino owner. Makes no sense. Unless there is something special about the Mitchum Brothers, but I don't think we've seen that there is. Yes, they've proven to be somewhat interesting characters, but also just your run-of-the-mill, casino-owning, mobbed-up, Vegas schmoes.

Ah, well.

 

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Posted : 02/08/2017 10:43 am
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I was under the assumption that Mr. Strawberry was a person, something that the Warden had done, that someone told bad Coop about, they had the conversation in his office at the prison.

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Posted : 02/08/2017 1:16 pm
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Mr. C is the evil opposite to Cooper. He uses people for things he wants, and then he disposes them once what he wanted from them is either done or failed, both to leave no traces of his actions and because he's a literally heartless Black Lodge creation.

That's my take on it.

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Posted : 02/08/2017 2:33 pm
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Posted by: Angie Higgins Lott

I was under the assumption that Mr. Strawberry was a person, something that the Warden had done, that someone told bad Coop about, they had the conversation in his office at the prison.

I'm sticking with my "Mr. Strawberry is the warden's dog theory," ha! He seemed so tortured and sad when Mr. C first mentioned Mr. Strawberry.... and there's that dog leg in Mr. C's car. I could be very wrong... Or it could be a loose end that was tossed in for us viewers to interpret for ourselves, something for which Lynch/Frost actually did not have a specific answer in mind.

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Posted : 02/08/2017 2:48 pm
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Posted by: KlLynched

As I drifted off I had the awful thought that the "doubleheader" in Vegas could actually be Albert and Gordon and that Mr.C's text to Diane (though I'm still holding out for her correspondent not being Mr.C) was a ruse to get them down there, since - if it was Mr.C - I'd bet my bottom dollar that he would have worked out that the FBI are listening in.

I hope it was just the addled brain of doziness.

I am also quite fearful for Sonny Jim and Janey-E.

I was about to post that very same thought about Mr. C knowing that the FBI is listening to him and Diane and that he's trying to lure the doubleheader--Albert and Gordon--to Las Vegas.

Why Vegas though? Do they need to be killed in close proximity of Dougie Cooper or something? Who knows. But it does seem unbelievably unlikely that Mr. C would not be aware that the FBI could/would track his texts with Diane.

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Posted : 02/08/2017 2:55 pm
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Posted by: Matthew Gladney

I feel like Duncan Todd is one-half of the double header, though it could be several people (which has made the speculation in this thread so fun).

Part of me wants to say it'll be Tom Sizemore's character, but then I think he's pretty small potatoes when it comes to the world of Mr. C.

I also don't see how the Mitchum Brothers really fit in to the world of Mr. C. Yeah, I get it, Mr. C. is a kind of businessman, and the Mitchum Brothers are in the casino business. But then that means Mr. C. would have to kill every casino owner. Makes no sense. Unless there is something special about the Mitchum Brothers, but I don't think we've seen that there is. Yes, they've proven to be somewhat interesting characters, but also just your run-of-the-mill, casino-owning, mobbed-up, Vegas schmoes.

Ah, well.

 

Honestly it seems to me that pretty much everyone outside Coop/Dougie Jones and Duncan Todd make no sense at least from what we know. Mr. C only business in Vegas this far has been killing Dougie/Coop. So he's the main target.

DoppelCoop has hired Todd to do take care of him. We don't even know if he's aware of each and every failed attempt (if he knows of Ike, the Mitchum Brothers and Sinclair, though he might have known about Lorraine). But we know that he seems to be pissed off that Duncan Todd hasn't yet delivered so he makes another obvious target, also considering he might know something more about Mr. C (remember what he says to his employee Roger in his first appearance, when he wished Roger he never had anything to do with someone like him) and that the Doppelganger has been regularly killing his associates as soon as he didn't need them anymore (Jack, Hastings' wife, Darya, the Warden) whether or not they turned against him (as far as we know, Jack and Phyllis didn't). A modus operandi Duncan Todd himself has used, maybe under Mr. C's instructions, and he might become a victim of it now.

I don't see any other character making much sense. What would Mr. C accomplish by killing Sonny Jim and/or Janey-E? Does he even know that they exist? Unless Sonny Jim possesses some powers that might threaten Mr. C, by virtue of being the offspring of a person created thanks to some Lodge magic, I really don't see what's the purpose here. As for the others (the Mitchums, Mullins, the Fuscos), they've been part of Coop's storyline, but there's nothing we've seen this far that suggests they have anything to do with Mr. C or that he even knows who they are

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Posted : 02/08/2017 5:35 pm
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Hell breaking loose.....Hutch and Chantal may not make it to Vegas.....

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Posted : 02/08/2017 9:15 pm
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He still could have been a threat to Mr C

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Posted : 03/08/2017 12:48 am
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The warden double crossed Mr. C by placing a faulty gun/'friend' in the glove box, while giving Ray a working gun, since Ray must have been given that gun in the prison.  Probably Ray blackmailed the warden himself or told the warden that he would eliminate Mr. C for him. Mr. C realized he was double crossed by the warden after being shot by Ray and had the warden killed for it.

Also, Duncan knows that the Mitchums are rivals to his and Mr. C's group(he said this while ordering Sinclair to convince the Mitchums that Dougie/Cooper had a personal vendetta on them), thus it is likely that Mr. C knows of the Mitchums and would want them eliminated.

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Posted : 03/08/2017 1:18 am
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