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(@suer_greg)
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It amazed me that Albert didn't start throwing the furniture waiting for Gordon's friend to leave.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 1:15 pm
(@mark_chamberlain_stevens)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

You aren't going to get any answers until the end.  Even then, you won't get all the answers and you may not like the answers you get.

Lynch and Frost ain't like that and besides, each episode is not a self contained capsule of "Story", this is an 18 hour movie.  Forget the regular episode driven dramas that are usually shown, where there's a neat and tidy hour's worth of stuff within a plot arc; this is something else and every section needs to be viewed in that context.

Fustrating?  Maybe, in the same way as a well written book you can't stop reading.  The difference here is you have to wait another week before you can turn the page.

You're quite right, Sam. I'm sure there were interlinking mechanisms in 12 that will come to fruition later....It just felt like a bit of a "wind-up" last night. In retrospect, Sara P. made it worth it.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 2:27 pm
(@subjectivedes)
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Thank you for creating this thread Sam. I wholeheartedly agree with all of this thread's sentiment. Last nights episode was one of the more haunting parts we have seen yet. I can't wait until Audrey's story arch is unpacked.

What I also enjoyed is the unique interactions between characters who had yet to interact with one another until Part 12: Ben & Frank, Hawk & Sarah.

Also, Lynch better get an Emmy for sound design! I would love it if they released a 10 LP box set of all of the soundscapes sequenced in the order of the show with minor dialogue dispersed inbetween. It would be as good as the Eraserhead soundtrack.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 3:13 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
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Couldn't agree more about the sound design. I can't remember ever feeling like the sound was so much a part of the story as I have in TPTR. The fact that someone speculated that the sound of Jerry running through the field sounded like the voice of "the Arm" (a theory I do not subscribe to, personally) just means that DL is making us LISTEN.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 3:24 pm
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Posted by: MJ Gilbert

Couldn't agree more about the sound design. I can't remember ever feeling like the sound was so much a part of the story as I have in TPTR. The fact that someone speculated that the sound of Jerry running through the field sounded like the voice of "the Arm" (a theory I do not subscribe to, personally) just means that DL is making us LISTEN.

The Giant gave us, as the audience a suggestion / directive as much as he did to Coop when he said, 'Listen to the sounds.' It wasn't just those coming from the old gramophone.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 3:48 pm
(@floatinghigherandhigher)
Dweller

Well said. 

Lynch has always been demanding with their audience and that's something to be grateful for. Is not enought for him to leave the cinema and forget the movie, or tu change the channel and then watch other lineal TV Show. I have always thought that he always shoots many threads in all directions during the 3/4 parts of his work, and dedicates the leftover 1/4 to tied them all up. 

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Posted : 31/07/2017 3:58 pm
(@colin_basterfield)
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I actually laughed at my impatience in the scene with Gordon's companion. 

Similarly at the scene between Audrey and Charles, although less so.

What struck while making breakfast having broken my rule of reading this forum after only one viewing was the tension created by these scenes.

The tension at the supermarket checkout with Sarah was so palpable, and the sound from FWWM, or similar, it had me wondering if I was going to have to wait til this morning to watch it rather than on my own after dark.

While none of these scenes, even Jerry running out of the woods turned into what we know we're likely going to be nailed to the nearest fridge with somewhere in the remaining episodes, it builds so much tension to when it does. I'd like to say we here, but won't and stick with I. I know that in the original series, the camera arrived at the bedside of Rosette, within seconds I experienced a serious disturbance that stayed with me for ages, the train car scene.

At any moment out of seemingly innocuous scenes, like the ones we saw last night I have no doubt there will be a darkness that'll we'll all have to reconcile. Our little torches will shine into the corners of our minds. A perfect example of this is comes from Inland Empire. I won't reveal it here, suffice it to say that Laura Dern walks towards the camera along a windy path. 

However infuriating some found this part, I say two things, i) it's an 18 hour movie and ii) embrace the tension and be ready... 🙂

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Posted : 31/07/2017 4:23 pm
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I agree with pretty much all of the previous posts. I also wonder how much the alledged slow development of the story, the often mentioned presence of multiple confusing new characters/story arcs and loose ends are something that really makes this season different from the previous 2 or if the only difference is that many people binge watched the original show.

I say this as someone who was too young to watch the original show when it aired and got to know it only 20 years after it came out. And of course, without any kind of schedule it's inevitable you go into binge mode. Well, when you're binge watching you can't possible be confused or unsatisfied because something didn't happen or something wasn't explained. You just keep watching the show until that thing happens or it's explained.

Look, the original show had plenty of weird things, stuff that wasn't developed for many episodes, new characters showing up or plot lines being introduced with little to no details. I don't know how many people would've reacted to Cooper's dream in episode 2. Did Laura's promise to Cooper that they would see each other again in 25 years make any sense? Did the appearance of the LMFAP (who doesn't appear again until late in season 2) made more sense than the french girl with Gordon in part 12? What about starting season 2 with 2000 minutes of an old waiter doing thumbs up while Cooper was bleeding out on the floor? Did anyone have all figured out what the hell was happening when Coop saw that giant? And I bet everything didn't look exactly clear when they throw in an old woman who doesn't share his grandson's (with whom she lives) enthusiasm for creamed corn. And I could go on and make such a long list. Also I bet not all of those Andy, Lucy, Dick Tremaine scenes were really essential for the story. I wouldn't say all the tricks Dr. Jacoby used to do with the ping pong balls, all of Nadine's quirks, many of the scenes at the diner were any less of a filler than those in season 3.

I'm not saying binge watchers are evil. There are definitely some pros in binge watching. Personally I enjoy the discussion between episodes and the chance to think a lot (sometimes overthink) about what's going on and what could happen, but I guess there some merit in being able to fill immediately the hole you're left with after an episode ends. But binge watching sometimes makes things easier and I don't like the fact that many people talk about the new season as if the original Twin Peaks didn't have fillers, moved at a great pace, and wasn't sometimes completely obscure and puzzling. It was all of those things, it's just that after seeing it all (and even more after seeing it all in a short time) you don't pay much attention to them.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 4:23 pm
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I really appreciate that Lynch doesn't underestimate our intelligence.

It feels like every modern movie, my best friend begs me to watch with him, expects that I have the intellectual capacity of a particularly stupid three year-old, and need everything (which I'm already expecting to happen, because they all follow the exact same beats) mashed up and spoonfed to me.

Talk about excruciatingly slow viewing!

(Though, let it be known that I'm not so full of myself that I can't enjoy an entertaining popcorn flick. It's just that a lot of them are so thrown together, in the same order, out of the same parts, that I don't think they are even trying to be entertaining.)

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Posted : 31/07/2017 4:37 pm
(@myn0k)
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Totally agree. I've pretty much given up trying to guess what's going on and have learnt to just go with it 😀

If I don't get it straight away, or if I think I've missed an  important link, I know I can always rewatch the whole show again afterwards. 

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Posted : 31/07/2017 5:35 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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 Reading through some of the other threads I think it's not so much "You don't get Lynch" as "You don't get the format".

Just for clarity:

Of course it's not perfect.  Nothing is, especially something as new and different as this.  I don't think anyone has ever tried something as big and ambitious in visual media before now.  The nearest I can think are some of the Bollywood movies at 4 plus hours and they're just painful.  That said, I'll settle for not perfect but a damn sight better than any other tv show or movie - given the size, scope and complexity - over the run of the mill franchise show any day.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 5:52 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

 Reading through some of the other threads I think it's not so much "You don't get Lynch" as "You don't get the format".

Just for clarity:

Of course it's not perfect.  Nothing is, especially something as new and different as this.  I don't think anyone has ever tried something as big and ambitious in visual media before now.  The nearest I can think are some of the Bollywood movies at 4 plus hours and they're just painful.  That said, I'll settle for not perfect but a damn sight better than any other tv show or movie - given the size, scope and complexity - over the run of the mill franchise show any day.

C.f. the metaphor of 'creamed corn' re: predigested content/entertainment, no?

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Posted : 31/07/2017 5:54 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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Posted by: Badalamenti Fan
Posted by: SamXTherapy

 Reading through some of the other threads I think it's not so much "You don't get Lynch" as "You don't get the format".

Just for clarity:

Of course it's not perfect.  Nothing is, especially something as new and different as this.  I don't think anyone has ever tried something as big and ambitious in visual media before now.  The nearest I can think are some of the Bollywood movies at 4 plus hours and they're just painful.  That said, I'll settle for not perfect but a damn sight better than any other tv show or movie - given the size, scope and complexity - over the run of the mill franchise show any day.

C.f. the metaphor of 'creamed corn' re: predigested content/entertainment, no?

Heh.  But then, you just know we'll get labelled as elitist fanbois.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 6:07 pm
(@annieblackburn)
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Posted by: Spyros

I agree!

If someone expects everything to be answered well, they are watching the wrong show, although some important things must be explained and they will.

But how about another season! if Lynch, Frost, actors and showtime are all on the same page, lets do it, lets rock!

Also, these random RR people and mini stories could relate to one another or to the story at some point.

I'm very worried that this season commanded such a large price tag but perhaps, like the last time around, not a sufficient audience, that it might not be sufficiently financially feasible for Showtime to greenlight it, even if Lynch Frost, MacLachlan, cast, and crew were willing.  Does anyone have any feedback on that?

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Posted : 31/07/2017 6:18 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: Annie Blackburn
Posted by: Spyros

I agree!

If someone expects everything to be answered well, they are watching the wrong show, although some important things must be explained and they will.

But how about another season! if Lynch, Frost, actors and showtime are all on the same page, lets do it, lets rock!

Also, these random RR people and mini stories could relate to one another or to the story at some point.

I'm very worried that this season commanded such a large price tag but perhaps, like the last time around, not a sufficient audience, that it might not be sufficiently financially feasible for Showtime to greenlight it, even if Lynch Frost, MacLachlan, cast, and crew were willing.  Does anyone have any feedback on that?

Lynch never intended a second season of The Return. Thus, with "final cut," he is free to do whatever he wants with this one-- ratings don't matter.

Given he's in his 70s and the last film he made was over a decade ago.  I think this may his magnum opus/swan song/career retrospective, "Thank you."   Pretty neat, if you ask me!

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Posted : 31/07/2017 6:23 pm
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