Phillip Jeffries and the Blue Rose Team  

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(@choppingwood)
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"Meet the long lost Phillip Jeffries... you might have heard about him from the academy." Albert said Cole suggested Phillip Jeffries lead the Blue Rose investigations and he soon recruited Cooper, Albert, and Desmond. But in Fire Walk With Me it's suggested by Cole that neither Cooper or Albert have ever met Jeffries. Also, in the missing pieces, Cole tells Albert to get him that 2nd mineral water after Jeffries mentions 'the ring' - hinting to Albert to get lost so Cole can 'get this interesting story down on paper.'
 
My guess, this is a retcon to fit the current narrative - Jeffries was a minor but memorable character in FWWM and his storyline was never realized until Lynch/Frost started spitballing the new season.
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Posted : 01/08/2017 5:07 pm
(@caemeron)
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We were hitting on this over on the Twitter a little bit, but it also occurred to me that the "he" in Albert's sentence could be referring back to Gordon. That is, perhaps he is saying that Gordon selected Jeffries and then he (Gordon) recruited Cooper et al.

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Posted : 01/08/2017 5:46 pm
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The "blue rose" now makes me wonder of the woman being spoken of was the girl who swallowed the frogmoth, and *that* was Judy.

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Posted : 01/08/2017 5:49 pm
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

We were hitting on this over on the Twitter a little bit, but it also occurred to me that the "he" in Albert's sentence could be referring back to Gordon. That is, perhaps he is saying that Gordon selected Jeffries and then he (Gordon) recruited Cooper et al.

I thought that he was referring back to Gordon as well.

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Posted : 01/08/2017 5:54 pm
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

We were hitting on this over on the Twitter a little bit, but it also occurred to me that the "he" in Albert's sentence could be referring back to Gordon. That is, perhaps he is saying that Gordon selected Jeffries and then he (Gordon) recruited Cooper et al.

Nice thought!  I agree that the "he" could easily refer to Gordon. 

Albert starts by saying the "military and FBI formed a top secret task force..."  It would make sense that the entire task force was/is larger than the FBI agents mentioned.  It is likely (obvious?) that Garland Briggs was part of the military's contribution to the Blue Rose task force.  

The continuity is a bit wack with what we see in FWWM and the statement Jeffries led the squad. 

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:01 pm
(@choppingwood)
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I watched the scene where Albert tells Tammy the history of the Blue Rose and I think it could go either way - Cole or Jeffries recruiting Cooper, Albert, Desmond. Regardless, I don't think Albert was privy to the Blue Rose cases in FWWM. He was a 'forensics genius' and not a special agent, though at some point, apparently, he was promoted.

 

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:12 pm
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Posted by: Tom Wubker

I watched the scene where Albert tells Tammy the history of the Blue Rose and I think it could go either way - Cole or Jeffries recruiting Cooper, Albert, Desmond. Regardless, I don't think Albert was privy to the Blue Rose cases in FWWM. He was a 'forensics genius' and not a special agent, though at some point, apparently, he was promoted.

 

I suspect Albert was still part of the "squad" in FWWM.  You can't just send in any forensic specialist on a Blue Rose case. You'd have to send someone who knew what they were looking for and wouldn't be freaked out by unusual things.

I was always under the notion that Gordon was the recruiter.  I could be wrong.  But that pre-notion always set me up to hear the statement in question a particular way.  Funny how that works. 🙂

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:19 pm
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

We were hitting on this over on the Twitter a little bit, but it also occurred to me that the "he" in Albert's sentence could be referring back to Gordon. That is, perhaps he is saying that Gordon selected Jeffries and then he (Gordon) recruited Cooper et al.

Nice thought!  I agree that the "he" could easily refer to Gordon. 

Albert starts by saying the "military and FBI formed a top secret task force..."  It would make sense that the entire task force was/is larger than the FBI agents mentioned.  It is likely (obvious?) that Garland Briggs was part of the military's contribution to the Blue Rose task force.  

The continuity is a bit wack with what we see in FWWM and the statement Jeffries led the squad. 

Jeffries could have led the squad in the 70s and still have been "long lost" by 1989. Coop joined the FBI in 1977, so I don't think any of this is necessarily inconsistent.

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:25 pm
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One thing that I find weird...

If the murder of Teresa Banks was a Blue Rose case, as evidenced by the Blue Rose on Lil's dress, why send Sam Stanley, who was uninitiated in Blue Rose cases as far as we know. I understand Coop and Albert could have been busy, but they certainly don't look very busy in the scene where they find out Desmond has been missing. Cooper certainly has time to re-enact his dreams, and Albert... I don't know what the hell Albert is doing just standing around in Gordon's office...

In response to the fact that Cole has to introduce Jeffries:

Like other people in this thread, I assumed Albert was referring to Gordon when he said "he." It is highly possible that Cooper and Albert could never have been assigned on a case with Jeffries despite being on the Blue Rose team. They may have never had a massive case like the Teresa Banks murder where they needed more than one member (at least not a combination of Albert/Cooper and Jeffries). In addition to this, we don't know what Jeffries' speciality was. We don't know if he was in forensics or what. Apart from his disappearance in Buenos Aires in 1987, the events of his reappearance in Philadelphia in 1989, and the knowledge that he was a member of the Blue Rose, what do we know about Jeffries for certain? Nothing, really. It's also possible that he was more than adequate to do his own cases without assistance from a forensics expert or whatever (perhaps he was a Jack-of-all-Trades).

Finally, when Cole says "the Academy," I reckon he recruited Cooper and Albert while at the Academy.

That's just my take, though.

“Harry, I’m going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don’t plan it. Don’t wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men’s store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.” - Dale Cooper

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:38 pm
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As far as I know Jeffries wasn't supposed to be a minor character. He couldn't shot much for FWWM because of schedule conflicts. But Lynch had in his mind at least two additional films after FWWM and Jeffries was to supposed to come back. But FWWM tanked and he didn't even start working on those sequels, but he always had some kind of role in mind for him.

Also, during that scene, Cole introduces Jeffries only to Coop, not to Albert. He says Coop, meet the long lost Phillip Jeffries. The fact that they never met might not mean much, Coop might have been a later addition, maybe he didn't join the group until he had to investigate about Chester Desmond's disappearance. It could be telling the fact that Windom Earle, who was Coop's mentor, wasn't part of the team.

And by the way, some levels of retcon are inevitable for a story that has been written by so many hands, taking so many different directions and with so many interruptions and restarts.

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:40 pm
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The Secret History does have Garland Briggs and Cole as the two people working on the unit set up by Douglas Milford.   The order other agents were brought in is questionable. 

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:42 pm
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I think Gordon is the one who set Desmond on the case just to try him out (whoops) and also test out Stanley to see if he was up to the job (Apparently he wasn't.). For the longest time I thought Lil was a vision receiver. But I think it's actually Gordon. He gave Desmond the final signal about the missing uncle. Lil is probably just a pretty lady that was hired to mimic what she was told by Gordon.

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:45 pm
(@melville-pembrokehurst)
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Ah of course. I'd forgotten exactly what Gordon said in that scene. It's been a while. Brain's a bit hazy.

“Harry, I’m going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don’t plan it. Don’t wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men’s store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.” - Dale Cooper

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Posted : 01/08/2017 6:45 pm
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Seems like a continuity issue, albeit a minor one.  We could reason it away by saying that with the jumping man dancing around in the ether of that scene in FWWM that perhaps people's minds were confused? 

More interesting to me is the way Jeffries addresses Cooper.  "Do you have any idea who this is?" 

 

It' almost as if he thinks he's looking at DoppleCoop.  Probably unintentional but fits nicely now. 

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Posted : 02/08/2017 9:14 am
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well in FWWM Lil was wearing a blue rose, Stanly noticed it but I believe Desmond told him that he couldn't speak to stan about it..

I believed that Desmond was part of Blue Rose before Cooper was.

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Posted : 02/08/2017 9:28 am
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