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Posted by: Alex Franks

I don't think it'll turn out to all be a dream, because he would need to have also dreamt the entirety of the Secret History of Twin Peaks book. And the whole of Hastings' blog.

It might not turn out to be a dream, but it could make him wake up from that point with no recollection of being Dougie. 

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Posted : 28/07/2017 7:27 am
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Posted by: Myn0k
Posted by: Alex Franks

I don't think it'll turn out to all be a dream, because he would need to have also dreamt the entirety of the Secret History of Twin Peaks book. And the whole of Hastings' blog.

It might not turn out to be a dream, but it could make him wake up from that point with no recollection of being Dougie. 

Hi MynOk,

I think the most interesting outcome would be that when (if) Cooper "wakes up," he will remember all the evil things Mr. C has done in the past 25 years.

And that would be devastating for Coop.  🙁

- /< /\ /> -

That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 28/07/2017 8:15 am
(@ranmacmh)
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Posted by: Nikolaj Nielsen

The tone that seems to awake something in Dale at the restaurant was around 430hz. If I'm not mistaken that's the same frequency in Ben's office. 

We know that sound and frequencies are extremely important and that the 5th dimension the otherworldly being is using to access our world is frequency/vibration. 

You know what else makes a healing sound at 430hz?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/311688380899?_mwBanner=1

I am so glad I read through this section of the forum because I just noticed something in episode 3 of season one that I NEVER would have noticed if not for it. 

It's the scene of Cooper's first red room dream.  When the dwarf, or the Arm, sits down in the chair and starts rubbing his hands together in great concentration I NEVER EVER noticed the sound it makes.  I was always distracted by the weird UFO shadow that floats by the curtain.  It sounds just like one of those tibetan singing bowls. 

So the Arm makes three important noises.  He does the weird "wah wah" noise that he makes with his hand over his mouth, he does a whisper when he's the evolved arm, and apparently he can make a sound like a singing bowl which, like you mentioned, is like the hum in Ben's office.

In Fire Walk With Me the "wah wah" sound was very present in scenes with electrical poles, when the one armed man was chasing Leland in his car, and a few others.  Definitely signifying a lodge presence or more specifically Mike or the Arm.  I was already wary about Mike's motivations, and I'm really excited that the hum, "like a monastic bell," is signifying the presence of the Arm or Mike in the Great Northern. 

Also, there is a significant moment in The Secret History (and I know we don't know if it's really tied in an important canonical way to the third season but still!) where after pages and pages of documenting UFO sightings there is a bit of dialogue between Milford and Nixon when project Bluebook has to go undercover because it has been shut down where he says, "We've all been barking up the wrong tree.  Which, take it from me, has been their objective all along. Distract us with bull****..."  I still don't know if that is significant but it seemed important when I was reading and I immediately thought of it when I realized I had ignored the sound because I was distracted by the flying object. 

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Posted : 29/07/2017 2:00 am John Manoulian III, Nikolaj Nielsen and JeffreyGWillett liked
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Posted by: Alex Franks

I don't think it'll turn out to all be a dream, because he would need to have also dreamt the entirety of the Secret History of Twin Peaks book. And the whole of Hastings' blog.

Not to mention all the intricate scenes that take place away from Dougie and focus on other people. 

Of course if episode 8 turns out to be a bad trip by Jerry Horne than maybe I shan't be so surprised 😀

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Posted : 29/07/2017 4:35 am
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Myn0k
Posted by: Alex Franks

I don't think it'll turn out to all be a dream, because he would need to have also dreamt the entirety of the Secret History of Twin Peaks book. And the whole of Hastings' blog.

It might not turn out to be a dream, but it could make him wake up from that point with no recollection of being Dougie. 

Hi MynOk,

I think the most interesting outcome would be that when (if) Cooper "wakes up," he will remember all the evil things Mr. C has done in the past 25 years.

And that would be devastating for Coop.  🙁

- /< /\ /> -

That assumes that Good and Evil Coopers are consciously linked. 

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Posted : 29/07/2017 4:52 am
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Myn0k

It might not turn out to be a dream, but it could make him wake up from that point with no recollection of being Dougie. 

Hi MynOk,

I think the most interesting outcome would be that when (if) Cooper "wakes up," he will remember all the evil things Mr. C has done in the past 25 years.

And that would be devastating for Coop.  🙁

That assumes that Good and Evil Coopers are consciously linked. 

Hi MynOk,

Well, we know that Mr. C's consciousness and Cooper's were linked - Mr. C knew about Annie, visited the hospital, and went all the way across the country to visit Diane.

But who the hell knows?  😉

- /< /\ /> -

That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 29/07/2017 5:48 pm
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For me, shared memories up to the doppelganger's appearance in the black lodge.

"We're in the version layer..."

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Posted : 29/07/2017 7:31 pm
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Posted by: Chris Sampson

For me, shared memories up to the doppelganger's appearance in the black lodge.

I agree with this. The doppleganger split off from Dale in the Lodge. From that point onward, they became separate entities with their own separate experiences. More accurately, Bad Coop went off to have his own experiences while what was left of good Coop sat in a chair.

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Posted : 29/07/2017 7:48 pm Karen liked
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Posted by: kdawg68

I'm a little worried if it's the Great Northern's tone that will ultimately wake him up.  I say that because one logical conclusion to the series would be for Cooper to walk into room 315 and somehow realize that he's been laying there on the floor ever since the season 1 cliffhanger; and that Laura's death was never solved and all of this that we've seen since Josie shot him was just an elaborate dream sequence.  

Hopefully that's too hard to pull off since the characters have aged, but theoretically that would open the door for further exploration of the original question about who killed Laura Palmer. 

It will not be a "it was all a dream" conclusion. Not the story David Lynch would do. Not to mention that would throw out the entire existence of Bob & the Black Lodge. Not gonna happen.

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 29/07/2017 8:29 pm
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I mentioned this in another thread, but Carl's whistle was 4 octaves above Middle C-sharp. No idea about frequency. Also, two distinct tones just before Gordon was caught up in the vortex observing the woodsmen.

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Posted : 30/07/2017 6:39 pm Nikolaj Nielsen liked
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Well, there is another D note that seems to unlock something like the D that briefly "unlocks" Cooper in the restaurant: When Bobby opens up the little pen-shaped capsule left in the chair by Major Briggs, the hum it's making when he holds up to Truman's ear is definitely a D.

This is likely coincidence.

OR!! Is it like a D is a key to unlocking something, and a ~430 hz A will be a resolution--like things will resolve in Room 315 at the Great Northern?? D resolving to A would be a IV - I resolution, a plagal cadence, the sound of a chorus going - "A-men." This whole show is a big Amen! ... I'm definitely reading too much into it right now. I've gotta watch Ep. 12.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 11:44 am KLynched liked
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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

Well, there is another D note that seems to unlock something like the D that briefly "unlocks" Cooper in the restaurant: When Bobby opens up the little pen-shaped capsule left in the chair by Major Briggs, the hum it's making when he holds up to Truman's ear is definitely a D.

This is likely coincidence.

OR!! Is it like a D is a key to unlocking something, and a ~430 hz A will be a resolution--like things will resolve in Room 315 at the Great Northern?? D resolving to A would be a IV - I resolution, a plagal cadence, the sound of a chorus going - "A-men." This whole show is a big Amen! ... I'm definitely reading too much into it right now. I've gotta watch Ep. 12.

Yes, that's a good point. (So good to have musically knowledgeable people on this Forum!). Even if it's total rubbish. 😉

I think I pointed out earlier or elsewhere that the message capsule and the first note of Heartbreaking (and I definitely see the spark in DougieCoop coinciding with that first note) are Ds, though they are an octave apart. Like a lot else that we spend ages poring over, it may mean nothing but music and sounds are such an important part of Lynch's artscape, I think they're worth paying attention to.

The note at the Great Northern isn't quite a D. I think it's Eb with harmonic overtones of Bb, or the other way round (can't remember right now). None of these are actually 430Hz, however much wishful thinking there is around here. 

Resolving to a rather baroque/mathematical final A at 430Hz would be quite cool.

Not going to hold my breath though.

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Posted : 31/07/2017 12:19 pm
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Posted by: KlLynched
Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

Well, there is another D note that seems to unlock something like the D that briefly "unlocks" Cooper in the restaurant: When Bobby opens up the little pen-shaped capsule left in the chair by Major Briggs, the hum it's making when he holds up to Truman's ear is definitely a D.

This is likely coincidence.

OR!! Is it like a D is a key to unlocking something, and a ~430 hz A will be a resolution--like things will resolve in Room 315 at the Great Northern?? D resolving to A would be a IV - I resolution, a plagal cadence, the sound of a chorus going - "A-men." This whole show is a big Amen! ... I'm definitely reading too much into it right now. I've gotta watch Ep. 12.

Yes, that's a good point. (So good to have musically knowledgeable people on this Forum!). Even if it's total rubbish. 😉

I think I pointed out earlier or elsewhere that the message capsule and the first note of Heartbreaking (and I definitely see the spark in DougieCoop coinciding with that first note) are Ds, though they are an octave apart. Like a lot else that we spend ages poring over, it may mean nothing but music and sounds are such an important part of Lynch's artscape, I think they're worth paying attention to.

The note at the Great Northern isn't quite a D. I think it's Eb with harmonic overtones of Bb, or the other way round (can't remember right now). None of these are actually 430Hz, however much wishful thinking there is around here. 

Resolving to a rather baroque/mathematical final A at 430Hz would be quite cool.

Not going to hold my breath though.

Oh the one at the Great Northern heard by Ben Horne is (to my well-trained ears) definitely rooted on A, which is ~approximately~ 430 hz. It is definitely NOT a D or Eb. (D isn't an overtone of A.... Instead, A is an overtone of D.) So it seems to me that if there's anything special about specific notes, then we've got at least two special notes going on around town: A and D. I'm trying to think if there are any other special hums/tones we've heard that I should go test out. Hmm. Hmm.

(And if you weren't clear what "overtones" means, it's just a frequency multiplied by an integer. The hum at the Great Northern is 430 hz and 860 hz and 1290 hz and 1720 hz etc... Each overtone has a lesser volume than the root pitch, so the note is named for the root pitch. The differing combinations of volume levels of the various overtones determine the "timbre" of the sound. Different timbre is what makes a piano's A sound different from a guitar's A or a harp's A -- or a Tibetan bell's A!)

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Posted : 31/07/2017 1:56 pm Joseph McMurty and Nikolaj Nielsen liked
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