However, after re-watching this scene I noticed something I hadn't noticed before. After forking up a particularly large piece of cherry pie and shoveling it in:
Coop says "MMmmm." !!!
I am fairly sure this is the first syllable that Coop says that wasn't simply a repeat of the last few words someone else has said.
He didn't say "MMmmm" when he had pancakes, he didn't say "MMmmm" when he urinated for the first time in 25 years. Hell, he didn't even say "MMmmm" when he had his first cup of coffee!
Oh yes, folks, our Special Agent is waking up, and when he does, there will be hell to pay. 😉
But he said "he's lying" while Anthony Sinclair was speaking during the meeting.
Hi Octavio,
Oh. Yeah. 😐
Yet another good theory ruined by the facts. CURSES!!
😉
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I think we've caught glimpses of the real Cooper here and there. Like others, i've been engaged with the slow awakening idea, but i'm not so sure right now. He went blank all of a sudden so he might need another "shock" to come back.
Have we considered that all it might take for Cooper to wake up is someone accurately identifying him as Cooper? So far he's been in Vegas where everyone seems to be convinced he is Dougie Jones. No one around him knows anything about his name. The Fusco detectives took his prints. I wonder if when they break the news that the prints are a match for Cooper, he'll hear his name as some sort of call and wake up.
Sorry, I really wish he would wake up.
I thought the cherry pie might wake him up similar to Proust but now I believe the only thing that is going to bring Dale back is if he actually meets someone he knows. The only person who knows where the real Dale Cooper is at the moment is Mr C. Once the FBI get his fingerprints they may be diverted from going Northwest and head for Las Vegas but until he actually meets another person from his past he is going to remain Dougie Jones. What better place to put a manufactured person than in a manufactured city away from where anyone who may recognise the real Dale Cooper.
Sorry, I posted this already to another thread, but I think it's not just the music. Dougie seems to see two persons behind the piano player. After the old lady talks to him they disappear ...
Nice catch, also the intense red behind them (on the same day he saw Philip Gerard with the Lodge's red curtains behind).
Sorry, I posted this already to another thread, but I think it's not just the music. Dougie seems to see two persons behind the piano player. After the old lady talks to him they disappear ...
Nice catch, also the intense red behind them (on the same day he saw Philip Gerard with the Lodge's red curtains behind).
I guess they could have got their check, paid and left. It's routine behaviour in restaurants, so the scene is realistic. Then again, no director does anything for no good reason, especially David Lynch. So, is it mischief or something more sinister... 🙂
Sorry, I posted this already to another thread, but I think it's not just the music. Dougie seems to see two persons behind the piano player. After the old lady talks to him they disappear ...
Nice catch, also the intense red behind them (on the same day he saw Philip Gerard with the Lodge's red curtains behind).
I guess they could have got their check, paid and left. It's routine behaviour in restaurants, so the scene is realistic. Then again, no director does anything for no good reason, especially David Lynch. So, is it mischief or something more sinister... 🙂
I also thought they might just be normal guests, but take a closer look. There is some sort of light on the table, which also disappears. And the red bench is of a different lenght although it's the same camera angle.
I thought it was a piano riff from the high notes of Laura's theme. Not that Dale would have ever heard that song...
I've had a suspicion the last several parts that Dale has been back for awhile, and that these scenes where we see "inklings and flashes" are him dropping out of the "Dougie" character momentarily, then correcting himself. The scene in Part 4 where he's studying himself in the mirror, then burns his mouth on coffee and says "Hi!" could have been the moment(s) he returned fully. "Deep cover" agents often have to completely assume an alter-ego for months or years at a time when in the field.......Dale could have been gathering intel and assessing his situation since part 4.....I'm likely wrong-but what better vantage point to study the people around you than pretending to be a complete idiot who doesn't understand anything?
I thought the "he's lying" line to Bushnell Mullins was also pure Cooper--just like when he took down Ike the Spike, or when he spat out his first sip of coffee!! So we've seen glimpses of him. But I'm currently thinking he needs to get back to Twin Peaks and into his room at the Great Northern. I think that could be the moment he really returns. Heck; maybe at that point, things will flip flop and evil Cooper will become an incompetent shell body? Here's why I think the Great Northern is important:
In the purple room with eyeless "American Girl," we saw the numbers 3 and 15 (referencing room 315), and the hum Ben Horne and Ashley Judd hear is definitely a series of overtones rooted on an A above middle C, which is 440 hz, so says my slightly out-of-tune guitar. 430 hz vs 440 hz wouldn't be much of a difference. I'll try to capture the sound and run it through a frequency analyzer this weekend to confirm that the Great Northern hum is rooted on 430 hz.
And consider how the Badalamenti music has been creeping up more and more as the show moves along; we've also spent more time in Twin Peaks proper and spending more and more time with its residents as the show moves along (aside from "Got a Light?"). So I think everything is pointing toward a "return" to Twin Peaks and the necessity that Coop must get there.*
I've been assuming the last 1, 2, 4?? episodes will be "dream" sequences in the red room, lodges, etc., like the first two. So maybe real Cooper will show up only in time to join Hawk, Truman, Bobby (and other Bookhouse Boys?!??!?!) to follow the map, enter the lodge, and maybe "battle" the forces of bad in there?? Who knows. I know Lynch hasn't been given to "happy" endings in his finer films--except didn't Blue Velvet turn out to have a good ending? Don't spoil it here; I need to rewatch it. In any case, I'd love to see Laura return to a lonely Sarah Palmer as the final scene. That might be way too obvious for Lynch though.
We're on the path; we don't need to know where it goes. (But it's sure fun trying to figure it out!)
*Of course, I could be proven totally wrong with every passing Sunday.
hi everyone!
maybe it's not the best thread for my question but it's about cooper and his possible awaking
do you wonder what is the nature and origin of TP doppelgangers, in particular coopers one?
who is this mr.c?
is he evil because bob owes him or vice versa - bob desided to and found the way to inhabit him after his initial evility?
and after 25 years of symbiosis who is he now more - bob or evil cooper? i mean - skilled up bob with coops attainments (e.g. intelligence, anlytical mind, kind of MO) or evil cooper with some little help from his friend (bob)
how does doppelganger first appears in the lodge scene beyound life and death? does the whole cooper splits in two parts - good and evil? or does doppelganer just represent the same whole coopers identity, just turned upside-down in some sence?
in latter case becomes clear reason of MIKEs statement "he must come back in before you can go out" - in fact "good" and "bad" coop is one entity. good coop is just one identity or personality complex within his psyche (soul) who supress all bad and evil. but in the same psyche could be formed another identity, who consist bad and supress some good. representation of this is 'in' and 'out' methaphor. one identity is always out - it's dominant and it rules the whole, while all others is 'in' - supressed in the unconscious.
so the dougie-dale is kinda empty jar. all his essentiality, content - his sole still lacking. still captured by bob or his doppelganger. still locks in mr.c's body, very deep, far behind his black irises.
it seems no problem for bob make a body - but soul (essence, psyche) - this is the real value and the place he lives (inhabits).
the same is true for any of us - make a newborn is an easy task compared of making it a great man (even great in evil things)))
anyway was clearly stated "he must come back in before you can go out"
'he' (doppelganger) haven't come back so coop is in lodge.
the creature before 2:53 was dougie jones now it's something else but definetly not cooper
The fact that the BOB-orb has been removed from Mr. C, and that he does not appear to be immediately to apparently changed, implies that his evil, whilst born in the Black lodge, is independent of BOB. I wonder when he will NOTICE that BOB is no longer with him, and what that will mean for what comes next!
As for the origin of the doppelganger, that's a deep dive. The lodge (and in particular, the Waiting Room, which seems to be a connecting point between the Black and White lodges) seems to be a place where doppelgangers exist inherently. But how Dale's came ot be, and how it gained the strength to emerge it Dale's expense, seems to have to do with some failure of purity on Dale's part, or his succumbing to fear. Some have speculated that his relationship with Annie is at the heart of this, or his having RUN from the doppelganger, rather than turning to FACE him (as, it seems possible, is where TPTR is headed).
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