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(@eric-from-sweden)
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My only problem with the show now is the somewhat lack of credibility, especially in the Dougie plotline. Why can't even the Mitchum brothers see that this man is "braindead"? Or do they don't want to see?
And would Dougie's boss really send him away all alone in a limo when he knows somebody's trying to kill him? He gave an explanation, but... Really?

And there is also Detective Macklay in South Dakota, why isn't he asking what the hell is going on? It must be clear to him that Cole and Albert knows a lot more about what is going on then they are telling him. Or maybe he doesn't care. Or maybe I'm being impatient again. There is probably more to come. If I were Macklay, I would be full of questions.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 2:15 am
(@monique)
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Is the lack of acknowledgment to 'braindead' Dougie a reflection on our world today? Being disconnected from one another, self-absorbed and basically sleep walking through life whereas Dougie is perhaps more aware and tuned in to the various realms than the seemingly awake population? 

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Posted : 24/07/2017 2:26 am
(@ranmacmh)
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I'm loving it.  It's whimsical and a little silly (like Twin Peaks is... don't forget), but at this point I love the charmed life he's fallen into.  He's operating at about 5% of his full Dale Cooperness (maybe 10% now, he's got coffee and pie) and in a few days his boss has complete trust in his abilities to handle a situation, Janey-E has fallen in love with him, Sonny Jim seems to really enjoy spending time with him, he gave the slots lady a new lease on life and reunited her with family, and now these two gangsters are like his new best friends.  I feel like it's just a commentary on the character of Cooper.  He is such a positive influence on the people around him, even when he's not fully himself! 

Not to mention being the spiritual and influential opposite of Evil Coop who destroys everything he touches and corrupts everyone (Diane! ;___;)

Anyway, I know Dougie is driving people nuts but I just honestly loved this episode to pieces. 

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Posted : 24/07/2017 3:35 am
(@eddie_offermann)
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For his boss sending Dougie off in the car to meet with the brothers - he doesn't think these guys had anything to do with trying to kill him, but he knows these guys are dangerous. That he can actually write them a $30M check is probably a big load off his mind.

But man... If you're watching Twin Peaks hoping for "credibility"... you're going to have a bad time. This thing is all about metaphor and interpretation. The way people respond to Dougie is part of the point, I think. That so long as they're getting from him what they want from him, they're fine. His coworkers are shown trying to impress or please him, even cater to him, while he's barely able to say a word. As Monique says, this could be more of a metaphor for society in general.

We've been told that this particular sort of thing isn't new to the return of Cooper in the Dougie shell. The pre-return Decoy version of Dougie had been in a car accident (allegedly) and had some spacey periods anyway. He was, after all, created by the Black Lodge doppelganger of Cooper around 1997 and probably has never been firing on all cylinders.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 3:35 am
(@ranmacmh)
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Posted by: Eddie Offermann

For his boss sending Dougie off in the car to meet with the brothers - he doesn't think these guys had anything to do with trying to kill him, but he knows these guys are dangerous. That he can actually write them a $30M check is probably a big load off his mind.

But man... If you're watching Twin Peaks hoping for "credibility"... you're going to have a bad time. This thing is all about metaphor and interpretation. The way people respond to Dougie is part of the point, I think. That so long as they're getting from him what they want from him, they're fine. His coworkers are shown trying to impress or please him, even cater to him, while he's barely able to say a word. As Monique says, this could be more of a metaphor for society in general.

We've been told that this particular sort of thing isn't new to the return of Cooper in the Dougie shell. The pre-return Decoy version of Dougie had been in a car accident (allegedly) and had some spacey periods anyway. He was, after all, created by the Black Lodge doppelganger of Cooper around 1997 and probably has never been firing on all cylinders.

I think Dougie was always a "copy of a copy."  Every time you make another copy the quality from the original deteriorates. 

Learned that when I learned about plaster skulls.  Don't draw from gen 4 plaster skulls.  Very squishy.  Not a good reference.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 3:40 am
(@fignewtron)
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Posted by: Christen Phillips

I'm loving it.  It's whimsical and a little silly (like Twin Peaks is... don't forget), but at this point I love the charmed life he's fallen into.  He's operating at about 5% of his full Dale Cooperness (maybe 10% now, he's got coffee and pie) and in a few days his boss has complete trust in his abilities to handle a situation, Janey-E has fallen in love with him, Sonny Jim seems to really enjoy spending time with him, he gave the slots lady a new lease on life and reunited her with family, and now these two gangsters are like his new best friends.  I feel like it's just a commentary on the character of Cooper.  He is such a positive influence on the people around him, even when he's not fully himself! 

Not to mention being the spiritual and influential opposite of Evil Coop who destroys everything he touches and corrupts everyone (Diane! ;___;)

Anyway, I know Dougie is driving people nuts but I just honestly loved this episode to pieces. 

I agree 100%!  Good Coop is goodness. Evil Coop is well EVIL. For some reason I also really connected with this episode.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 4:49 am
(@fishinthepercolator)
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Posted by: Monique Prior

Is the lack of acknowledgment to 'braindead' Dougie a reflection on our world today? Being disconnected from one another, self-absorbed and basically sleep walking through life whereas Dougie is perhaps more aware and tuned in to the various realms than the seemingly awake population? 

In a sense I feel as if Dougie's situation mirrors Laura's in FWWM (also in the show, but more explicitly in the movie). It's obvious to everyone she was in trouble and she was screaming for help (sometimes literally) but yet everyone went on with the image of the homecoming queen who helped a boy with mental illness, was involved in meals on wheels program and so on. It was so obvious to the audience Laura had problems and needed help, yet the people living around her failed to notice it, or maybe because were too selfish and worried about their stuff/afraid to ruin the image of Laura they had created for themselves. It's very similar for Dougie, but taken to an extreme level.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 7:50 am
(@ric_bissell)
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Posted by: Monique Prior

Is the lack of acknowledgment to 'braindead' Dougie a reflection on our world today? Being disconnected from one another, self-absorbed and basically sleep walking through life whereas Dougie is perhaps more aware and tuned in to the various realms than the seemingly awake population? 

Hi Monique,

One name:

Chance the gardener, a.k.a. Chauncey Gardiner.  😉

- /< /\ /> -

That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 24/07/2017 2:21 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
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Oh, I don't think there is much in the world of TP that is, or is intended to be "credible". We are living in a dream.

Of all the people who should realize just how much is up with Dougie, Janey-e seems to most culpable. She thinks they had this amazing sexual experience, while his arms flapped vacantly!

Everyone sees, in Dougie, exactly what they are looking for.

Note that they brothers didn't (and COULDN'T) ask Dougie "What's in the box?"- they had to ask him in such a way that Dougie could repeat their last word, and they would think it was a response. This is how the entire world speaks to Dougie.

The Dougie plot line is very reminiscent, as others have pointed out, of Being There.

I AM the FBI.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 2:29 pm
(@1stdragonarse)
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Monique Prior

Is the lack of acknowledgment to 'braindead' Dougie a reflection on our world today? Being disconnected from one another, self-absorbed and basically sleep walking through life whereas Dougie is perhaps more aware and tuned in to the various realms than the seemingly awake population? 

Hi Monique,

One name:

Chance the gardener, a.k.a. Chauncey Gardiner.  😉

- /< /\ /> -

great comparison Ric!

I have total recall of everything and anything I ever made up.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 2:30 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Monique Prior

Is the lack of acknowledgment to 'braindead' Dougie a reflection on our world today? Being disconnected from one another, self-absorbed and basically sleep walking through life whereas Dougie is perhaps more aware and tuned in to the various realms than the seemingly awake population? 

AH- missed your reference at the bottom of your post! Sorry to rehash what you brought forth so clearly!

Hi Monique,

One name:

Chance the gardener, a.k.a. Chauncey Gardiner.  😉

- /< /\ /> -

 

I AM the FBI.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 2:39 pm
(@mad-sweeney)
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Watching any work of fiction requires suspension of disbelief. Watching a work of David Lynch's requires suspension of disbelief PLUS an appreciation for both abstract and surreal art.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 2:39 pm
(@adam-lamella)
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Monique Prior

Is the lack of acknowledgment to 'braindead' Dougie a reflection on our world today? Being disconnected from one another, self-absorbed and basically sleep walking through life whereas Dougie is perhaps more aware and tuned in to the various realms than the seemingly awake population? 

Hi Monique,

One name:

Chance the gardener, a.k.a. Chauncey Gardiner.  😉

- /< /\ /> -

Exactly. Dougie is simply Dasein, "Being There." As a matter of fact, when the authorities are trying to find out who Chauncey is, guess what trick they pull? They bring him a fresh glass of water and drop the used one in an evidence bag for the lab.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 4:50 pm
(@nikolaj_nielsen)
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Posted by: MJ Gilbert

Oh, I don't think there is much in the world of TP that is, or is intended to be "credible". We are living in a dream.

Of all the people who should realize just how much is up with Dougie, Janey-e seems to most culpable. She thinks they had this amazing sexual experience, while his arms flapped vacantly!

Everyone sees, in Dougie, exactly what they are looking for.

Note that they brothers didn't (and COULDN'T) ask Dougie "What's in the box?"- they had to ask him in such a way that Dougie could repeat their last word, and they would think it was a response. This is how the entire world speaks to Dougie.

The Dougie plot line is very reminiscent, as others have pointed out, of Being There.

I agree. He's basically just mirroring people and giving people want they want of him; more of themselves. 

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Posted : 24/07/2017 5:11 pm
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