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(@caoimhin)
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"The thread is not what it seems." 

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Posted : 24/07/2017 3:35 pm
(@suer_greg)
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There is a characteristic that Candie and ??????? have in common.

Each of them, when turning their head to look at someone will turn their head completely toward that person, then shift their eyes to them.  A very odd trait.

 

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Posted : 24/07/2017 4:28 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Posted by: James M Sweeney

Anyone else think it's more than just a parallel that there was a traffic jam making people in Twin Peaks late the same evening a traffic jam on "the strip" made Candie late?

Here are some thoughts on that: Definitely a parallel which connects Candie to Bobby as both dealing with sexual relationships in which they are not recognized at the dignified level of a proper desiring human, but reduced to sitting there ignored and humiliated while their dreams are crashed, thus traffic/enjoyment in the relations cannot continue until problems solved.......

Candie was looking for recognition of her need to engage 'love-proper', while the Mitchums just are caught up in small flashes of adolescent enjoyment, profits, etc. and keeping this 'traffic flow going', which Dougie provides.....Bobby was looking to play the father role as exceptional elevation of his family as his priority to provide basic conditions(safety, etc.) for, while Shelly basically seemed to not even recognize this element of existence, instead opting for kissing Red, as if Bobby was nothing(maybe even a threatening male looking to harm her fun)...........

In both cases there is something like a 'gunshot'/hitting the guy with the remote, then a traffic jam: the problem explodes and cannot be ignored as if it is going to work out, traffic is jammed around a deadlock/problem, Bobby sees his problem as represented by the two stuck cars......

About being late: Candie had already seen the traffic jam, was crying after hitting the guy and knowing they dont love her etc., then began to rebel, now she did not care about being late, the traffic jam did not stop her from coming back to her position of seeking love-proper, exceptional to one person, etc., she then cried after all this that they still cared nothing or even recognize that this element of reality exists, stuck on petty crap, high fives, money, pie, etc.....While Bobby is just now seeing the traffic jam, confronting the deadlock in his relations with Shelly and Becky as represented by the two cars of hunters and woman and zombie kid who definitely did not want to be late(Shelly and Becky here: ignoring the traffic jam deadlock of 'no stars' and rushing through to more enjoyment, Red, etc., disaster, zombie, shooting guns at Steven, etc.)

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Posted : 24/07/2017 5:31 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Posted by: Murat Erol Özkan
Posted by: James M Sweeney

Anyone else think it's more than just a parallel that there was a traffic jam making people in Twin Peaks late the same evening a traffic jam on "the strip" made Candie late?

Here are some thoughts on that: Definitely a parallel which connects Candie to Bobby as both dealing with sexual relationships in which they are not recognized at the dignified level of a proper desiring human, but reduced to sitting there ignored and humiliated while their dreams are crashed, thus traffic/enjoyment in the relations cannot continue until problems solved.......

Candie was looking for recognition of her need to engage 'love-proper', while the Mitchums just are caught up in small flashes of adolescent enjoyment, profits, etc. and keeping this 'traffic flow going', which Dougie provides.....Bobby was looking to play the father role as exceptional elevation of his family as his priority to provide basic conditions(safety, etc.) for, while Shelly basically seemed to not even recognize this element of existence, instead opting for kissing Red, as if Bobby was nothing(maybe even a threatening male looking to harm her fun)...........

In both cases there is something like a 'gunshot'/hitting the guy with the remote, then a traffic jam: the problem explodes and cannot be ignored as if it is going to work out, traffic is jammed around a deadlock/problem, Bobby sees his problem as represented by the two stuck cars......

About being late: Candie had already seen the traffic jam, was crying after hitting the guy and knowing they dont love her etc., then began to rebel, now she did not care about being late, the traffic jam did not stop her from coming back to her position of seeking love-proper, exceptional to one person, etc., she then cried after all this that they still cared nothing or even recognize that this element of reality exists, stuck on petty crap, high fives, money, pie, etc.....While Bobby is just now seeing the traffic jam, confronting the deadlock in his relations with Shelly and Becky as represented by the two cars of hunters and woman and zombie kid who definitely did not want to be late(Shelly and Becky here: ignoring the traffic jam deadlock of 'no stars' and rushing through to more enjoyment, Red, etc., disaster, zombie, shooting guns at Steven, etc.)

I think I may have missed the mark somewhat here after re-watching the episode, after the traffic jam Candie was very happy to see 'so many cars', so that the obstacle became something to overcome, and in this way led to her advantage, the obstacle blocking her path allowed her to shift her view, etc., where she discovered another mode of her one and the same activity; just as Dougie became the friend of the Mitchums even though they were planning to kill him.... Maybe this means that Candie will be leaving the Mitchums, or is at least past being sad about them and her sad look was simply a sort of goodbye........either way, Mitchums seem completely oblivious about it..., even though Candie is speaking very directly and to the 'heart' of the situation....

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Posted : 24/07/2017 9:48 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Also maybe Candie here is just giving up on her need for 'love' by accepting the 'traffic jam'/problem that was happening, but she was definitely having problems with it.   I appreciate this introduction of slavery here via Cooper and Candie(Cooper and Candie being reduced to crippled freaks who are drained of all their efforts for some boss' benefit, which was 'manufactured' by Mr. C/billionaires), since we see this re-emerging in our everyday reality with the onset of capitalist authoritarianism(capitalism can only make profit from debt and future repayment, from banks, since technology will eliminate the need for manual work, so that it needs to control all everyday activity to make it service the future debt which it already needs re-payed in order to maintain profit rate, thus freedom is not allowed in capitalism, the only way to maintain a capitalist economy is slavery which forces people to service the increasing debt, making them into a 'Dougie-Mr. Jackpots' who is a crippled source of profit/spice, thus Mr. C/billionaires enforce this).  This slavery is emerging via forced slave work conditions and in our own backyard to everyone via forced immersion into digital networks, inclusive of connecting the brain to this forcibly, so that one does not possess ones own body and activity-thoughts are forced upon it to garner the most efficient behavior to service the debt, all run by AI algorithms which respond 24/7 and have little to no cost, only the cost of running a computer......already Elon Musk the leader of Tesla company, will introduce this, first as something 'good, cool, etc.' from a cool 'liberal' billionaire, but capitalist economy necessitates that it will be a slave relationship: https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15077864/elon-musk-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-ai-cyborgs; this already exists is here, controlled by Mr. C-billionaires, which means they manufacture slave as the everyday guy.....no freedom; similar here to technological feudalism, nobility and serf conditions, rather than modern and freedom; they simply try to assert that they own a person's existence

This allows everyday existence inside the brain to be turn you into Johnny tied to a chair, with the computer algorithm having full access to the brain, and it cannot stop what comes in, it possesses body/brain functions and the person must sit there and watch in horror unable to do anything while that robot tortures, etc.... first terror, then protection, get you scared of a boogieman, then give you a way out, which of course is not what a person freely wanted to do before the terror, just like whipping a slave.....

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Posted : 25/07/2017 3:00 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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So for Candie, we may see some degrading stuff against her in the future(similar to Laura at the 'Canada' bar with Jacques, etc.)..............another Janey E/Dougie sex scene, with Candie as crippled, etc.....defiantly bad stuff on the horizon, fire where we are going........

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Posted : 25/07/2017 4:14 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
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Posted by: fignewtron
Posted by: James M Sweeney

Anyone else think it's more than just a parallel that there was a traffic jam making people in Twin Peaks late the same evening a traffic jam on "the strip" made Candie late?

Good catch! Totally missed that...

It makes the whole timeline thing all the more important. Something HAPPENED in the that street in Twin Peaks! What ELSE was happening at that moment??

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Posted : 25/07/2017 4:20 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
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We can always count on you for the DEEPEST dive, Murat! (-;

AND- it seems, from the brothers' point of view, that Candie is a charity case, as opposed to (or, perhaps, in addition to) being a "slave". Knowing now that the brothers were raised in an orphanage, I suspect that that is where Candie came from, as, without them, she "has no where to go" (it seems unlikely that she can care for herself).

While I am at it, I did not get the impression that the brother (sorry, please don't make me look up his name) was LITERALLY asking her "where were you?"- I think he was asking her where the heck her HEAD is, and her literal answer to a figurative question is part and parcel of who she seems to be...

I was highly incredulous that Candie would have any real part to play, any more than the girls at One-Eted Jacks did. So happy to (seemingly) be wrong! Please, CONFOUND me, DL!!

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Posted : 25/07/2017 4:27 pm
(@aaron_c_wade)
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I wonder if they'll finagle some way to put Candie into Cooper's employ. In his current state I'm not sure he would refuse. And won't that be an explosive situation when Janey-E finds out. 

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Posted : 25/07/2017 5:05 pm
(@nikolaj_nielsen)
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Candie is definitely spacing out and probably seeing things in either other dimension or places (space and time is a dream right?). I think she was in Twin Peaks (in her mind) and witness the car congestion. It's like she watching another TV channel in her mind that the brothers keeps trying to pull her away from for her to be present in the LV reality. Maybe she's a 5th dimensional being as well?

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Posted : 25/07/2017 5:19 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: Nikolaj Nielsen

Candie is definitely spacing out and probably seeing things in either other dimension or places (space and time is a dream right?). I think she was in Twin Peaks (in her mind) and witness the car congestion. It's like she watching another TV channel in her mind that the brothers keeps trying to pull her away from for her to be present in the LV reality. Maybe she's a 5th dimensional being as well?

I'm all but certain now Candie is not a real woman named 'Candie.' More likely a Lodge spirit, human being possessed by Laura's spirit, or-- I hope-- one of three angels/benevolent spirits with rhyming names sent by The Fireman(?) and Señorita Dido.

 The "cosmic TV" you posit is in keeping with the cosmic saxophone/uterus that delivered the Laura and Bob orbs to earth, so I'm all for the "Candie is a telephone to the beyond" hypothesis.

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Posted : 25/07/2017 5:33 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
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She was making wave motions with her hand in part 10. Maybe she is seeing the Purple Ocean.

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Posted : 25/07/2017 5:37 pm
(@dear-prudence)
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Posted by: Karen
Posted by: fignewtron

You forget that the Bellushi Mitchum had the DREAM. Think that is why they embraced Dougie the way they did. He is not their enemy but their friend. Hopefully I am remembering this correctly need to watch again...

Belushi's character realizes the dream was deeply important, he strongly remembered the dream because he was supposed to receive the message to treat "Dougie" as a friend & not kill him, the pie was the sign. Mike & others are watching out for Coop.

I hadn't considered the idea that the dream was sent by Mike and Pro-Coop lodgers. I like this idea. 

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Posted : 25/07/2017 5:39 pm
(@nikolaj_nielsen)
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Posted by: Tali Thomason
Posted by: Karen
Posted by: fignewtron

You forget that the Bellushi Mitchum had the DREAM. Think that is why they embraced Dougie the way they did. He is not their enemy but their friend. Hopefully I am remembering this correctly need to watch again...

Belushi's character realizes the dream was deeply important, he strongly remembered the dream because he was supposed to receive the message to treat "Dougie" as a friend & not kill him, the pie was the sign. Mike & others are watching out for Coop.

I hadn't considered the idea that the dream was sent by Mike and Pro-Coop lodgers. I like this idea. 

It sure was. That's one of the ways they have to manipulate/influence us simple 4 dimension beings. 

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Posted : 25/07/2017 5:49 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: Nikolaj Nielsen
Posted by: Tali Thomason
Posted by: Karen
Posted by: fignewtron

You forget that the Bellushi Mitchum had the DREAM. Think that is why they embraced Dougie the way they did. He is not their enemy but their friend. Hopefully I am remembering this correctly need to watch again...

Belushi's character realizes the dream was deeply important, he strongly remembered the dream because he was supposed to receive the message to treat "Dougie" as a friend & not kill him, the pie was the sign. Mike & others are watching out for Coop.

I hadn't considered the idea that the dream was sent by Mike and Pro-Coop lodgers. I like this idea. 

It sure was. That's one of the ways they have to manipulate/influence us simple 4 dimension beings. 

What are the fourth and fifth dimensions to which you refer?  Regrettably, I live only in three dimensions (albeit augmented by my Dr. Jacboby sunglasses.)

MJ, that's a neat suggestion re: the wave gesture. Candie's, Mandy's and Sandy's pink dresses are also rather reminiscent of the cool colors in the purple sea and castle interior, no?

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Posted : 25/07/2017 5:58 pm
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