The Route of the Ring  

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(@william_de_bruijn)
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What is still bugging me: how can Dougie's ring ('love Janey-E') have ended up in Briggs' stomach, and why is it there? Since Las Vegas/Rancho Rosa (Dougie's homebase) and Buckhorn (where the body of Briggs turned up in Ruth Davenport's bed) are so far apart this sounds like either something that happened in the Red Room or is a sick joke by Mr. C. 

When Dougie is with Jade he wears the Owl Cave ring (perhaps because he is manu-factured; manu meaning 'hand') and his arm goes numb. So BOB (?) could have taken Dougie's old wedding ring earlier and forcefed that to Briggs when 'inside' Mr. C? But I believe so far we have seen neither BOB nor Mr. C in the state of Nevada?

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Posted : 19/07/2017 3:14 pm
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Well, we haven't seen anyone (except Ray) take a leak, either but it can be inferred they have done, at some point.

The Lodge/zone entities seem to be able to go where they want, and in any case a lot could have happened in the last 25 years.  No knowing where anyone's been.

BTW, the word is "manufactured".  Just another word for "made", as in built, like in a factory, for example.  No particular emphasis in the syllables, just a by product of the way the sound was recorded.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 19/07/2017 3:36 pm
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I don't think you'll see them in Nevada together, you'll see them in the Zone together.

It is a mystery, but I suspect the ring was taken from Dougie (or someone asked him to hand it over).  Remember when the Giant took Coop's ring in the original series?  It seems it was taken from him while in the real world, in his Great Northern hotel room, in a dream fugue.  When he woke, it was really gone, but this was not like when he enters the Black Lodge in Glastonbury Grove, but rather the other dimension comes to him (maybe because that room is special, but then the Giant does also show up the Roadhouse).

Suspend disbelief for a minute.  ??????? interacts with Dougie on our material plane at some point, and takes the ring.  He isn't omnipresent, but his experience of past/present/future is not like ours.  He knows enough to know this isn't the real Cooper, but he wants to facilitate people finding the real Cooper (presumably because that will help save his creation Laura that he sent into the world).

Briggs is hiding in the Zone (hibernating as he said), which is the area where ??????? normally exists.

Mr. C was searching for those coordinates and found them.  Mr. C finds Briggs's hideout at the same time that Hastings and Davenport were there and Mr. C is involved in holding Briggs down while his head escapes. 

??????? (or I think maybe real Cooper) plants the ring inside Briggs and perhaps instructs Hastings to take the body out of the Zone into the real world at Davenport's place.  This would allow it to be discovered by the FBI so they can track down Mr. C and get him thrown back in the Black Lodge long enough to let Cooper be restored.

That's all a stretch and maybe not right, but it would explain a few things, like how Briggs's headless body gets from some other dimension into our world (he was carried out by Hastings).  Maybe Ruth agreed to sacrifice her body to ensure Briggs's body could exit the Zone and that's why it torments Hastings even if he can't fully remember what happened.

It doesn't explain how the owl ring transferred to Dougie yet (maybe Giant, maybe Cooper, maybe through some other weird chain of events).  There seems to be only one ring like that and last time it was with a nurse that took it off of Annie IIRC.

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Posted : 19/07/2017 3:54 pm
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Manufactured does come from the latin made by hand - manu factum.  But that's probably just a deliberate word choice, since Dougie was created by BOB's hand or the other Woodsman spirits.

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Posted : 19/07/2017 3:58 pm
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Posted by: Rob John Goodin

Manufactured does come from the latin made by hand - manu factum.  But that's probably just a deliberate word choice, since Dougie was created by BOB's hand or the other Woodsman spirits.

Oh yes, I know that.  Just pointing out to William that it's a valid word anyhow for something "created", rather than born from nature, and probably without any special significance.

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Posted : 19/07/2017 4:05 pm
(@fishinthepercolator)
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Laura got the Ring from Annie in a dream. That was well before Annie came back to Twin Peaks. Time and space work in a different way for Lodge spirits/entities/objects etc.

But op brought another thing to mind, the car accident Mullins (Dougie's boss) mentioned to the police, I wonder if it wasn't actually an accident but rather some Lodge abduction/experience. Car accidents are not what they seem.

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Posted : 19/07/2017 4:40 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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O Noes!  It gets worse.  Tammy's an owl, Dougie was an owl...

the horror!!!

😉

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 19/07/2017 5:08 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

O Noes!  It gets worse.  Tammy's an owl, Dougie was an owl...

the horror!!!

😉

There he goes, teasing me with Owls again....10 episodes: 1 Owl...not even a real one, a bad CGI version that could hardly flap it's wings....gggrrrrrr

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Posted : 19/07/2017 10:58 pm
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I suspect that the Major swallowed it on purpose to hide / transport it.

SamX. Remember, Cooper take two leaks. One spectacular & the other all-but-assisted.

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Posted : 20/07/2017 12:50 am
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And then there's the clue of no Douglas Jones records prior to 1997 (according to the Fuscos) and Hastings starting his 'Zone blog' also in June 1997. So if Dougie Jones was 'manufactured for a purpose', and succesfully (dixit Mike) his creator(s) anticipated the now upcoming opening up of the Lodges of 10/2. And -thank you FishinthePerculator- did Mr. C get a 'dopple experience' of Douglas Jones presumed car accident at 2:53 in his car ride from Buckhorn to Yankton? 

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Posted : 20/07/2017 1:37 am
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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It is correct that the ring was force fed to Briggs: when Hastings saw the Major and his head detach, the lodge entities close to Mr C. and Hastings wife who busted in and grabbed Hastings, pushed his head down and asked him 'whats your wife's name?', they then force-fed the answer into Briggs body, 'from Janey E to Dougie'.  How to explain this?: 'from Janey E to Dougie' is symbolic of the law that Mr. C/billionaire capitalist mafia impose, the white that complements the black, the white on the surface that hides the black within that the woodsmen were talking about. 'Janey E to Dougie' as the ring is the prototype which will be applied throughout the 'experiment', and anything interferes with this, get chopped up by the feminine authority; remember that kid in new york where Cooper was suppossed to go originally, killed by the 'mother', then Cooper is pushed into Dougie, this is Billioinaires/Mr. C's capitalist law.

  Why 'feminine authority', meaning everything to please the woman, the exceptional point that is elevated above the law, the point of exceptional passion, etc., not taking care of law/world, everyday stuff, thus destroying the world for gambling, desperately chasing drugs, prostitutes, or balancing this principle like Dougie; chasing never ending profits as a religion at the expense of the world...destroy everything in deadly passion for profits, impose terror rule via Mr. C working for billionaires, etc., no law, just kill whoever starts talking or thinking, etc., this is all part of 'feminine authority', in the sense of traditional woman, etc.?  Now that Agent Cooper entered Dougie, hes looking for the lost law during the 25 years of 'mothers' regin.   Janey E is excessively controlling and reduces Dougie to a tortured docile fool(like Johnny tied up in the chair) chasing after money/enjoyment non-stop in order to please her, doesnt let him follow his non-erotic 'worldly' desire(badges, cowboy statute, raising the kid) absolutely no productive activity and no threat to Mr C./billionaires rule, and Dougie is in fact secretly in with them, accepting their rules of the game('criminal empire' mentality, profit/enjoyment expanding into a nightmare, remember how he was in with that guy at the casino, 'really broke that one', etc., same as what Jacques was telling Agent Cooper about laura, Dougie had then joined jacques, no longer believed in saving Laura fixing the law etc, instead getting his share, destroying all rational law, ends in chaos and barbarism, law of Mr. C and capitalist mafia, etc.). 

Back to Hastings, we find something very similar to what happened to Cooper which split him into two extremes, both 'evil'(white and black).  Hastings was following his true non-erotic desire to research and 'find Briggs'(whose head is detached, so you must reinvent the old law, justice, etc., which Mr. C et al destroy), coupled with the true erotic desire('I wanna go scuba diving' with his true love, etc., the exceptional passion).  We get something like capitalist state torture and killing of academics here, they are researching, thinking, and talking about the wrong things, Mr. C's 'lodge'/billionaire mafia intervene to keep the profit/'spice' flowing to them, making the law and world their property, which of course means terror and barbarism, no law, mafia criminal rule.  These entities say 'whose your wife' then they force the answer into Briggs' body, impose the law, you are going to be reduced to a crippled freak like dougie, or die like the kid in new york.  Hastings is forced back to his wife who was cheating on him and only cared about the dinner plans, even when he was being arrested.  So the ring is the 'white' cover that allows the 'spice'/profit to flow to Mr C./billionaire's capitalist mafia-terror rule, forced into Briggs/law against its will and against the true desire of the genuine real people trying to engage and change reality productively, rationally, etc..,

Now the twin peaks cops are trying to bring Briggs/law back(onto the same trail as old agent cooper or the academics) in a form capable of solving the problems that reocurring during the sleepwalking of the last 25 years throughout the entire world, and exemplified by the tragedy of Laura Palmer...

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Posted : 20/07/2017 2:16 am
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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And so how can the ring move around everywhere through space and time? To put it briefly: since it is symbolic and close to red room, it is something like a thought-form, it is non-existing(exists as 'non'-negative, as void, etc.), it is a negative of reality that at the same time exists everywhere, must manifest itself in reality, can travel everywhere and realize itself in different struggle, reformulate what the past means, etc....impose 'law' on reality....

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Posted : 20/07/2017 2:27 am
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Posted by: Murat Erol Özkan

And so how can the ring move around everywhere through space and time? To put it briefly: since it is symbolic and close to red room, it is something like a thought-form, it is non-existing(exists as 'non'-negative, as void, etc.), it is a negative of reality that at the same time exists everywhere, must manifest itself in reality, can travel everywhere and realize itself in different struggle, reformulate what the past means, etc....impose 'law' on reality....

This was called the 'weirding way' in Dune, which Paul Mua'dib used to disrupt reality to upset the entire balance of white-black rule, bringing the successful third of true freedom, something like a productive historical 'cut', break from the past, changing time, etc., aclso can 'cut' in the bad way Mr. C/billionaire capitalist mafia, etc.

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Posted : 20/07/2017 2:37 am
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Posted by: William De Bruijn

And then there's the clue of no Douglas Jones records prior to 1997 (according to the Fuscos) and Hastings starting his 'Zone blog' also in June 1997. So if Dougie Jones was 'manufactured for a purpose', and succesfully (dixit Mike) his creator(s) anticipated the now upcoming opening up of the Lodges of 10/2. And -thank you FishinthePerculator- did Mr. C get a 'dopple experience' of Douglas Jones presumed car accident at 2:53 in his car ride from Buckhorn to Yankton? 

Yes, perfect, so Dougie was manufactured to prevent people from being like Hastings(researching, thinking, etc.), a sort of 'experiment model' symbolized by the ring force-fed into Briggs(the law, what you should be, etc.); the return of agent cooper and the search for briggs brings back this search for Briggs and law 'reinvented', why Dougie was getting that green light, etc., but havent thought much about how this has affected Mr. C, besides the fact that he no longer has much 'white support' since Dougie is gone, and now seems vulnerable and betrayed by everyone, on the verge of being killed; what ive got here is now that law/justice has reappeared in a crippled form via Dougie/Cooper, Mr. C's support in reality is threatened, and was sustained by the old dougie-Janey E dynamic, the closed ring of enjoyment(from Janey e to dougie, etc.), intercourse between white and black above the convenience store, the trading of garmanbozia between mike and bob, where mike secretly takes obscene pleasure from lauras death(all those 'good characters' who were after laura), the obscene pact of the law with excess and evil....

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Posted : 20/07/2017 2:55 am
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