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(@caemeron)
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So, we see Carel Struycken at various points practicing backwards lines in the Red Room.

This would be the first thing: the question as to where his scenes are happening; the relation between the Red Room, the Mansion Room, the portal near Jack Rabbit's Palace, etc. Or perhaps there is nothing to glean here, and it is just that the sets were constructed near to each other?

A couple of lines he is practicing are not included in the show: "Sycamore" and "Do you remember" - this may be the closest we get to deleted scenes, along with how Laura was going to say "You see me alive" - thoughts?

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Posted : 03/01/2018 5:23 pm
(@pred80r)
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"Sycamore" would just relate to the entrance to the red room so not a lot of speculation there.

"Do You remember" is a huge clue to a time loop.  That would be asking Cooper/Richard if he remembers these things as opposed to "remember" which most people took as a command prior to events that are upcoming as opposed to a question about events that have transpired.

I don't have to explain the power of words to you, we have had this discussion.

I can clearly see Lynch hearing these words in a practice run and deciding that they gave away too much information so he cut it down to "remember" which is very ambiguous.

I still stand firm on our conclusion.

Thanx,

Jack

 

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Posted : 03/01/2018 5:49 pm
(@caemeron)
Deputy

Yeah, that's about what I've got, too. It is somewhat hard for me to imagine a context where he would say "sycamore" though. Makes me think there was more we didn't get a glimpse of. Or, I guess, it could have just been thrown in as a word on its own. That's kind of interesting to think about. I recall an article relating each portal we see to sycamore in some way - it involved some speculation about the one in NYC and the one in London, but I dug it.

Oh, and maybe I should have said Carrie Page instead of Laura, since Lynch calls her that when they are shooting in the Red Room.

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Posted : 03/01/2018 6:32 pm
(@choppingwood)
Dweller

There's also a lone Sycamore tree outside the portal near Jack Rabbit's Palace -- when Cooper went back in time to 1989, he was taking Laura to that location -- Lynch cuts to that location as they're walking in the woods. Since the portal near JRP leads to The Fireman's mansion, it's possible the deleted 'Sycamore' line was an additional message to Coop that referenced his 'home.'  

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Posted : 03/01/2018 7:12 pm
(@choppingwood)
Dweller

Also, there's a scene where Carel Struycken is practicing saying this line in reverse: 

Nemerive may-aye

There was no subtitle for what we heard coming from the phone, but I believe when reversed it comes out as: "I am every man." 

That's a pretty powerful statement and I can see why Lynch cut it -- there's been a ton of speculation who The Dreamer is and a lot of it has focused on Cooper and Laura, but what if The Fireman is The Dreamer? I keep going back to the scene in Part 8 when he levitates and 'creates' the Laura orb - the gold emanation comes from his head. He's in a similar position in Part 17 when he swipes the scene on the screen from The Palmer residence to outside the Sheriff's Station. 

If The Fireman is Every Man and we apply this to the ancient phrase, it comes out as: 

We are like The Fireman who dreams and then lives inside The Fireman. 

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Posted : 03/01/2018 7:31 pm
(@caemeron)
Deputy
Posted by: Tom Wubker

Also, there's a scene where Carel Struycken is practicing saying this line in reverse: 

Nemerive may-aye

There was no subtitle for what we heard coming from the phone, but I believe when reversed it comes out as: "I am every man." 

That's a pretty powerful statement and I can see why Lynch cut it -- there's been a ton of speculation who The Dreamer is and a lot of it has focused on Cooper and Laura, but what if The Fireman is The Dreamer? I keep going back to the scene in Part 8 when he levitates and 'creates' the Laura orb - the gold emanation comes from his head. He's in a similar position in Part 17 when he swipes the scene on the screen from The Palmer residence to outside the Sheriff's Station. 

If The Fireman is Every Man and we apply this to the ancient phrase, it comes out as: 

We are like The Fireman who dreams and then lives inside The Fireman. 

Not to burst your bubble, but I pretty sure that was just him saying "I am Fireman" backwards. Of course, your suggestion would be the more interesting.

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Posted : 03/01/2018 7:40 pm
(@choppingwood)
Dweller

I just watched the scene on the Blu-ray again and the subtitle definitely reads: Nemerive may-aye - I still can't make out the translation when the Assistant plays it back on the phone but if it's him just saying "I am The Fireman" wouldn't there be a reverse syllable for 'the'? 

 

 

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Posted : 03/01/2018 8:49 pm
(@caemeron)
Deputy

There is no 'the' in that clip, to be sure. I just worked by saying it backwards to myself. Also, he is practicing, so it might not be perfect. The 'the' could have been added later. I can't disprove your theory/reading (hearing?) but I did want to point out that I had a different, more deflationary one. 

Actually, I think this is cool. Like so many other things in Twin Peaks, one now has to decide which way to go with it - metaphysical thickness or deflationary realism - and even if yours is an interpretation by mondegreen, it's still interesting to think about, so why not?

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Posted : 03/01/2018 9:28 pm
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