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Ontological status of Richard/Carrie (BLWL)

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Posted by: Brandy Fisher
Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

 

Yeah, as I recall I was pretty brief when I hit on this in the piece, but my read is that we are seeing the full Cooper for the first time; that is, after his doppelganger burned in the Lodge, that half of Cooper was reincorporated. This is why he seems a bit like Mr. C in the Judy's diner scene (and also, to honest, didn't he seem just a bit *too* chipper in Parts 16 and 17?)

He was rather chipper.  However, back in the original seasons, he was pretty chipper at some odd and even inappropriate times. Odessa Cooper was much "realistic" as was mostly everything going on there. 

However, it was still something else that makes his seem "off" or "odd" or whatever.  I just wish I could put my finger on it or express it. ......  something more than the dichotomy unified.

I'm very much in agreement. It's hard to tell if he has the memories of all the horrible things that Mr C did in his name (that is how I would define "the fusion"). He crossed over into another dimension, universe, dream or what have you; performed some sex magic with Diane (with alternate-selves lurking) and awoke to find that he and Diane might no longer be who they were before they fell asleep. That last bit, I think, is what put him in a "haze." The pique expression of his uncertainty and confusion was "What year is this?". But, he may have been internalizing "Who am I?" on that long drive from Odessa to Twin Peaks.

What adds heaps to the mystery, to me, is that we don't get to see if Diane is a different person as Linda. Meaning, is she "Diane" only with a different name, or has her identity changed? That was most assuredly done on purpose as it would help provide evidence for what is going on with Coop.

 
Posted : 30/04/2018 6:00 am
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Of course he was dazed and a bit off with all things that had just happened (or were about to happen.....or never happened but should have happened). But he didn't appear to me to be confused about what he was or what he was doing.  He looked to be quite focused and comfortable with himself and his mission, whatever it might be. Not just focused, but quite expectant, like he figured out exactly what he was doing when he went after the cowboys (that seems to bring him out of his "daze.")  The only confusion I ever notice is when there are rifts in his plans, like when Carrie is Carrie and not Laura and when the Palmers don't live where Cooper exects them to live.

 

 

In retrospect, he definitely seemed more Mr. C than we had ever seen him before. And maybe that is it, the incorporation of Big Bad Mr. C with Mr. Sunshine Dale Cooper, dichotomous beings fighting for the same space.

 
Posted : 30/04/2018 3:03 pm
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

https://25yearslatersite.com/2018/04/20/untangling-the-upended-ending-where-do-richard-and-carrie-exist/

Cæmeron, I read your piece; I liked it.  It made me think of the scene with Any, Hawk, Truman and Doc Heyward when Naido is recovered.  Oh and Bobby.  Those 4 gentleman ended up taking their positions near JRP but each one of them arrived from several different paths.  The blurred, or overlapping movements of each person.  It just felt like the image I might think of when trying to picture dimensions/realities/histories bleeding one into another.  And possibly converging under certain conditions.  Mostly this is to say that I think you think and write well.   

 
Posted : 30/04/2018 3:47 pm
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Thanks. You mean how their positions reverse?

 
Posted : 02/05/2018 1:01 am
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So, to be honest I did read the first several authors and may have missed the first author exchange - The new heading hides by the picture, easy to dismiss as a caption. 

However, I am thinking you wrote this: 

"Of course, these realities are generally held apart from one another, dreams notwithstanding. But what if Cooper’s actions messed this up, and they now bleed into each other? This would provide a way of explaining all of the inconsistencies that crop up in the Twin Peaks universe, from those within the show itself to those that involve the books."..."When they arrive to the motel, Diane sees herself. This is a version of herself in another reality that is very close to this one; perhaps the only difference being that she got out of the car to wait in that one. The realities are bleeding into one another, and this might be a hint that Cooper’s plan will not be successful."

To be sure I'm not trying to paraphrase you or re/miss-interpret what you wrote, just that your passage made me think of that scene.  Perhaps many realities wound their way to JRP and the gentleman took their places time and time again, the overlay may be only for our benefit, or maybe realities coalescing into a unified one when their outcomes realign.  Just a thought.   

 
Posted : 02/05/2018 1:29 am
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Yes, I definitely think so. It's weird that the first thing that came to mind for me wasn't the obvious - the way they flicker about and so on - but the fact that when they get there the order they are walking in reverses from one shot to the next. If you haven't noticed this, check it out. 

 
Posted : 02/05/2018 1:16 pm
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Well, a portal to another dimension had just opened.... I  suppose it might have weird effects here on earth 

 
Posted : 02/05/2018 3:04 pm
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