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(@dobbshead)
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Not to interrupt, but weren't we just talking about where Mr. C might've crashed in reference to 430 miles... and then I looked up the dates too. 

The trooper plates are South Dakota, as are Mr. C, but what's odd is that South Dakota only used those plates from 2000-2005.   How often are plates re-upped?  10 years?  So maybe both cars had holdovers, but seems like a coincidence.  What year is this?

 P.s. if this is common knowledge and I'm slow on the uptake, carry on...

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Posted : 18/05/2018 12:50 am Chris Flackett, Brandy Fisher and Lucas Bracci liked
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Rosette/American Girl.

I was always under the notion that the AG name was used because she/Ronette could have been any girl in small town America, bad choices, blind community, possibly bad homelife, perhaps a crazy scary mother who pounds on her door, etc.  Ronette was not that pivotal to any of the story. She could have been anyone,anywhere, anytime. Her name was unimportant and thus obsolete.

And where do bad girls end up? Well that depends on your philosophy, understanding, and/or level of empathy.

Maybe that is where Laura would have ultimately resided had she not put on the ring.

She was an American girl, raised on promises......

So, what's the meaning of the blue rose in the same room ?

(In comparison with the Return, Mulholland Drive is an easy point A to point B movie 🙃  )

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Posted : 18/05/2018 3:37 am
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Not to interrupt, but weren't we just talking about where Mr. C might've crashed in reference to 430 miles... and then I looked up the dates too. 

The trooper plates are South Dakota, as are Mr. C, but what's odd is that South Dakota only used those plates from 2000-2005.   How often are plates re-upped?  10 years?  So maybe both cars had holdovers, but seems like a coincidence.  What year is this?

 P.s. if this is common knowledge and I'm slow on the uptake, carry on...

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This is clearly something huuuuge.

We know that Mr C. car is a 2003 Lincoln Town Car (the same driven by Richard / Cooper in part 18).

The Highway Patrol car is a Dodge Charger (6th generation, 2006-2010).

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The licence plates are indicating that this scene happened approx. 2006 (no way that a 200,000 miles highway patrol car was still on the road in 2015 with an old licence plate)

South Dakota 2000-2006 plates era fixed on two different cars is not a mistake from the prop : this is a clue.

"What year is this" when we are watching Mr C. in some parts of The Return ?

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Posted : 18/05/2018 12:52 pm Joseph McMurty and Brandy Fisher liked
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Part 18 : Cooper / Richard in Odessa, in front of Carrie Page home.

Another (or the same) 2003 Lincoln Town Car.

The licence plate is a current Texas one (this model is on Texas cars since 2012). 

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(unfortunately, it's impossible to see the licence plate on the 1963 Ford Galaxie from the 430 miles journey)
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Posted : 18/05/2018 12:58 pm Brandy Fisher liked
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Are we actually getting somewhere?

We really should start some new threads for these new discoveries.  This thread is sooooo long and congested and so many things have been lost and slipped through the cracks in time.

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Posted : 18/05/2018 2:52 pm Joseph McMurty, Lucas Bracci and Ben Uhl liked
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Are we actually getting somewhere?

We really should start some new threads for these new discoveries.  This thread is sooooo long and congested and so many things have been lost and slipped through the cracks in time.

I agree, this title is waaaaaaaay too general, esp for Twin Peaks, haha

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Posted : 18/05/2018 3:12 pm Brandy Fisher liked
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Are we actually getting somewhere?

We really should start some new threads for these new discoveries.  This thread is sooooo long and congested and so many things have been lost and slipped through the cracks in time.

Of course you're right.

It's easy on some forums to move some messages from a topic to a new one. But it's maybe too much work, or impossible, for Pieter.

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Posted : 18/05/2018 3:38 pm
(@julie_loader)
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci
Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Not to interrupt, but weren't we just talking about where Mr. C might've crashed in reference to 430 miles... and then I looked up the dates too. 

The trooper plates are South Dakota, as are Mr. C, but what's odd is that South Dakota only used those plates from 2000-2005.   How often are plates re-upped?  10 years?  So maybe both cars had holdovers, but seems like a coincidence.  What year is this?

 P.s. if this is common knowledge and I'm slow on the uptake, carry on...

1526619029-C-crash.png

This is clearly something huuuuge.

We know that Mr C. car is a 2003 Lincoln Town Car (the same driven by Richard / Cooper in part 18).

The Highway Patrol car is a Dodge Charger (6th generation, 2006-2010).

1526662337-8248628640ee7e83b5fdb.jpg

The licence plates are indicating that this scene happened approx. 2006 (no way that a 200,000 miles highway patrol car was still on the road in 2015 with an old licence plate)

South Dakota 2000-2006 plates era fixed on two different cars is not a mistake from the prop : this is a clue.

"What year is this" when we are watching Mr C. in some parts of The Return ?

Hmm but if he has his car accident in 2006,  would that mean that he was in gaol for 10 years before  the FBI knew??

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Posted : 18/05/2018 6:54 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader

Hmm but if he has his car accident in 2006,  would that mean that he was in gaol for 10 years before  the FBI knew??

No, because when Gordon, Albert and Tammy are coming in Yankton jail, "Cooper" was just identified by the authorities.

But after that, Mr C. blackmails the warden Murphy and asks for a rental car.

This is the rental car, a Buick Century (6th and last generation 1997-2005) with again a pre-2006 South Dakota licence plate.

If the year of the scene is 2015, which company is renting a (at least) 10 years old car ? 

Warden Murphy : "It's the beige rental." (part 7) :

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From part 8 :

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Posted : 19/05/2018 12:51 pm
(@lucas_bracci)
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Hutch and Chantal black van has also the same SD licence plate...(which was poorly screwed by the prop on the car, because when she slams the door, the plate is moving a bit 😆 ) 

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Posted : 19/05/2018 12:57 pm
(@caemeron)
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I would be obsessing about this license plate stuff if we had been talking about it as the show aired and I was looking for any clue at to what year it was. (Bill Hastings ID and statement of his age as 43 still amounts to the only piece of concrete evidence that I think exists - and would make it 2016)

But since I have come to this view about splintered time (as I have articulated previously on here, and in the most recent Black Lodge/White Lodge piece I did for 25YL), I really don't know what to do with this information about license plates other than to throw my hands up in the air and exclaim, "Things are even worse than I thought!"

Yet, there does seem to be enough here that must relate to purposeful choices they made to get my brain juices flowing. So here are some attempts to contribute to paths of thought this might lead down:

We have tended to assume that the events of The Return occur 25 years after those of the original run, because of what Laura says to Cooper. But what she says precisely is that *she* will see him again in 25 years. Now, Lynch cues Sheryl Lee as "Carrie Page" in the Lodge in behind the scenes footage, so maybe it is Carrie who says this line? Or, well, trying to go in the other direction is making my brain hurt.

Could it be that some of the events of The Return are in 2006 and others ten years later? Maybe the flashing plane windows in Part 7 indicate that they traveled ten years forward in time (though, I should note, that detail was not there in the MoMA screening, so maybe we shouldn't be trying to make anything of it). This doesn't feel like it would hold up to scrutiny, but all of the events being in 2006 would be inconsistent with the stuff about Bill's age, not to mention the dates on the dossiers...

But, so, yeah, I don't know what to do with this car stuff. Using older models because it would be cheaper to get them for filming I could see, but if this stuff about the license plates is true that seems very intentional.

 

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Posted : 19/05/2018 7:56 pm
(@dobbshead)
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Perhaps, much like the fine grain of reality, there are as many matryoshka dolls as one has the compulsion to expose.       

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Posted : 19/05/2018 9:58 pm Cæmeron Crain liked
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Perhaps, much like the fine grain of reality, there are as many matryoshka dolls as one has the compulsion to expose.       

If you mean that this is a masterwork, wherein every line of questioning will reach the point at which it stutters, I agree.

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Posted : 19/05/2018 11:10 pm Chris Flackett and Joseph McMurty liked
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Are we actually getting somewhere?

We really should start some new threads for these new discoveries.  This thread is sooooo long and congested and so many things have been lost and slipped through the cracks in time.

Of course you're right.

It's easy on some forums to move some messages from a topic to a new one. But it's maybe too much work, or impossible, for Pieter.

Unfortunately I cannot move individual posts, only the whole thread.

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Posted : 20/05/2018 5:05 pm
(@dobbshead)
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I was looking up dear old Washington's license plates, and I darn well know when someone is sporting an old plate. 

It's not a minor detail; it's like having natural curls vs having a perm, or wearing Levis jeans vs Jordache, or Nike vs BK Knights, Sophia Lillis vs Molly Ringwald.  I just mean, old license plates kinda makes it a period piece.  Them's the past.

  Now as to what it means, I withhold comment.  But the abundance of inconsistent dating may all just reinforce that Cooper went back and mucked things up.    

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Posted : 20/05/2018 5:23 pm
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