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(@chris_flackett)
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I've been working on the assumption that the ALL message meant that all parties Mr C had ordered to be killed by Chantel and Hutch were now dead and so all that was left was for Diane to kill the 3 FBI agents. Which shows an error of over-confidence in Mr C in that he assumes Dougie Jones has been killed too. He hadn't taken into account the possibility of temperamental accountants...

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Posted : 10/12/2017 3:25 am
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I thought it meant kill all as in Cole , Albert and Tammy because she went for the gun and was going to shoot Cole..... but thinking about it, that would never work because the other two would always shoot her....

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Posted : 10/12/2017 12:37 pm
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Yeah, that is pretty much a 100% suicide mission.  Even if she was able to shoot one of them, there is no way she would have taken all 3. I sometimes wonder if she intended to commit suicide. None of that made sense, but I guess Tulpa's aren't always logical or smart.

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Posted : 10/12/2017 12:53 pm
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Yeah, that is pretty much a 100% suicide mission.  Even if she was able to shoot one of them, there is no way she would have taken all 3. I sometimes wonder if she intended to commit suicide. None of that made sense, but I guess Tulpa's aren't always logical or smart.

So that's why I  now think ALL must not have meant kill them.

But what DOES it mean?

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Posted : 10/12/2017 7:16 pm Brandy Fisher liked
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Posted by: Julie Loader
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Yeah, that is pretty much a 100% suicide mission.  Even if she was able to shoot one of them, there is no way she would have taken all 3. I sometimes wonder if she intended to commit suicide. None of that made sense, but I guess Tulpa's aren't always logical or smart.

So that's why I  now think ALL must not have meant kill them.

But what DOES it mean?

I agree.  I never thought she went in there intending to kill all 3.  When I first saw the gun, I assumed suicide.

And a good question, what would/could "ALL" mean?  Let's hear the theories.

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Posted : 10/12/2017 8:15 pm
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I got the feeling that ALL was like when BOB pulled that ripcord on Leland and left him remembering all he had done.  It looked like it all came flooding back to Diane-T and the knowledge of her existence as a tulpa.  

I thought she had an extreme emotional reaction and then there were like competing identities as she made her way to the FBI room and had her say.  I guess I would say that ALL is like an MK-Ultra spell breaking code-word.  Know ALL,  or Remember ALL. 

I'm sure there's more to it, but maybe we can at least narrow down what effect it had. 

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Posted : 10/12/2017 11:21 pm Lucas Bracci and Brandy Fisher liked
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

I got the feeling that ALL was like when BOB pulled that ripcord on Leland and left him remembering all he had done.  It looked like it all came flooding back to Diane-T and the knowledge of her existence as a tulpa.  

I thought she had an extreme emotional reaction and then there were like competing identities as she made her way to the FBI room and had her say.  I guess I would say that ALL is like an MK-Ultra spell breaking code-word.  Know ALL,  or Remember ALL. 

I'm sure there's more to it, but maybe we can at least narrow down what effect it had. 

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Yes!

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Posted : 11/12/2017 1:56 am
(@chris_flackett)
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

I got the feeling that ALL was like when BOB pulled that ripcord on Leland and left him remembering all he had done.  It looked like it all came flooding back to Diane-T and the knowledge of her existence as a tulpa.  

I thought she had an extreme emotional reaction and then there were like competing identities as she made her way to the FBI room and had her say.  I guess I would say that ALL is like an MK-Ultra spell breaking code-word.  Know ALL,  or Remember ALL. 

I'm sure there's more to it, but maybe we can at least narrow down what effect it had. 

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There's definitely something in this, but what benefit would Mr C gain from tulpa Diane recognising her true self? Did he know that the sudden burst of shock and shame would drive her into a suicide mission?

What it does achieve ultimately is that it leads the FBI to the sheriff's station. Then again, Mr C didn't know he would end up there so is perhaps an unforeseen consequence.

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Posted : 11/12/2017 2:31 am Joseph McMurty and Brandy Fisher liked
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Still have so many questions! 

Who made Dougie?  Coop? Why?

Was Janey e really related to Diane?

Who made Dianes tulpa?

Who turned Diane into Naido snd sent her to the spaceship thingy?

 

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Posted : 11/12/2017 12:53 pm
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Posted by: Chris Flackett

There's definitely something in this, but what benefit would Mr C gain from tulpa Diane recognising her true self? Did he know that the sudden burst of shock and shame would drive her into a suicide mission?

What it does achieve ultimately is that it leads the FBI to the sheriff's station. Then again, Mr C didn't know he would end up there so is perhaps an unforeseen consequence.

All good points.  While I'm conjecturing, I think maybe yes, that realization of being a tulpa is an identity crisis and may inevitably break a person (tulpa) mentally/emotionally.  That text really punched her in the gut.  Not like bad news (kill them all), but like a lightning bolt.

As to purpose - there's a couple ways  to look at it (or countless ways).  Re-watching the scene: After seeing the ALL text she says, "I remember.  I remember.  Oh Coop (affectionately, I'd say).  I hope this works." As she texts coordinates. 

So either the text came from Mr C (and the creepy-ass smiley face.  Face ALL?), Diane is flooded with the truth and she replies to Mr. C with the coordinates that would take him Frazzle Rock  - or -  the text came from, oh maybe Mike, or Fireman or even Jeffries perhaps, and the text was a benevolent release for her.  She repays the favor with her knowledge of coordinates and then intends to end the abomination of her existence (Later, Mike says - "You were manufactured"  Diane says - "I know")

To add to the mystery, while she's telling her rape story to Tammy and the boys, she looks back down at her phone at a clearly different text that reads:   : - ) ALL (no period), and her emotional instability multiplies.  Only at this point she says, "I'm at the sheriffs station." and,  "I'm not me." 

Rolling thought process here; this second text could be the benevolent release (sent earlier tho, so...) by good guy 'X' giving Diane-T knowledge of good (Naido's existence/location) and Mr. C countered with knowledge of evil (raped by Mr. C).  Mr. C maybe had no choice but to give her the doppelganger version of truth because the good version was previously sent (but arrived later).

When Diane was raped by Mr. C, I picture that as when she was made tulpa, and Naido sent to the purple mansion.  Naido's situation is a one-off to us the viewers, but possibly rape would bloom enough Garmonbozia for Bob/Judy/JM to take an interest.   Every tulpa has this wildly different set of circumstances and even to the discerning viewer it's impossible to even venture an evidence based pattern - I have to think it was carefully done this way with a specific lack of pattern.  We can't just wrap our words around it and shelve it as 'known'.  I like that.        

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Posted : 11/12/2017 11:58 pm Chris Flackett liked
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Then again, maybe none of that. 

There's at least 4 texts coming in to Diane's phone(s), it's a huge mess.    An imessage with period, text message with period 13 minutes later (and Diane's phone seems to have all different settings), and then an imessage without period 40 minutes earlier.  And then this weird unreadable longer text that someone ought to take a stab at cleaning up. 

It's all been hashed out, but given these details, and how she has her bracelets reversed upon exiting the hotel elevator, I am now thinking she was made unstuck in time and dimension by that  : - ) ALL.   text.  Simple.   

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Posted : 12/12/2017 2:59 am
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Hidden text immediately after seeing the first ALL.

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Posted : 12/12/2017 3:03 am
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Hidden text immediately after seeing the first ALL.

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"Around the dinner table the conversation is lively"

 

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Posted : 12/12/2017 4:26 am Jank Frones, Joseph McMurty and Brandy Fisher liked
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

 

As to purpose - there's a couple ways  to look at it (or countless ways).  Re-watching the scene: After seeing the ALL text she says, "I remember.  I remember.  Oh Coop (affectionately, I'd say).  I hope this works." As she texts coordinates.      

It puts me in mind that Diane has met Good Coop, not just Mr C, at some point after TOS, and they have discussed a plan involving the coordinates to blow Mr C up at that rock. Coop could easily have discovered knowledge of this location in the Red Room. The way Diane says Coop's name and that she hopes the text works suggests both prior affection and collusion.

Which also makes me wonder if this is something to do with the meeting of Diane and Coop at the start of Part 18 and whether that's meant to be much earlier in the narrative than thought.

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Posted : 12/12/2017 4:31 pm Joseph McMurty liked
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