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(@b-randy)
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I just had an idea. A depressing idea but one that may answer my biggest angst with TR. Bear with me while I process through this.

There were so many characters, old and new. We spent so much time observing them and getting to know then and learning as much as could about them. Some of them directly aided in the progression of the story, some of them aided only vicariously, and some did not seem to be part of the bigger picture at all.
And as any of you who have been around for a while know (I have never been quiet about it) that I am just frustrated to all hell and back at how I felt they were all forsaken, dropped, erased, robbed of their fictitious lives. I have begged and I have raged and I have stormed and I have cried for an explanation to no relief. I can deal with and accept everything that happened except this one aspect: why were there all of these characters, especially the new ones, if they were just going to disappear.
But what if Dale did manage to go back and prevent Laura's death by BOB? What if it all never happened (paradox or no paradox), and the FBI never goes to investigate her death, Cooper never throws rocks at those bottles and never has the infamous dream and never joins up with the Bookhouse Boys and never enters the lodge and the boogeyman never exits in Dale Coopers place and the recent shenanigans never ensue?
If those things never happened, then we never watched them happen and we never got to know Audrey or Shelley or James or Bobby, etc etc etc. We also never met Renee or Becky or Stephen or Charlie, etc etc etc.

Lynch just showed us a world devoid of Twin Peaks, dark and rainy or maybe dry and dusty, but certainly lacking in ANYTHING wonderful and strange.

Maybe some of you think I'm nuts and maybe some of you have already figured this out. But I would very much like to hear your thoughts.

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Posted : 11/06/2018 6:32 pm Lucas Bracci liked
(@carnifex)
RR Diner Patron

I thought something quite similar the first time it ended back in September,   that with Cooper snatching Laura from one time steam,    everything that happened prior was now questionable.      Based entirely on that,    it makes sense why Lynch focused on people that could be more objective participants,   rather than the subjective cast from the first two series.

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Posted : 11/06/2018 7:30 pm Brandy Fisher liked
(@b-randy)
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Do you suppose it was conscious or intentional?

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Posted : 11/06/2018 7:38 pm
(@dobbshead)
Roadhouse Regular

This feels like an intrusion to you getting an answer there, but..

For me the swarm of characters, and clues, and locations and 'bunnies' was highly realistic and exactly like real life.  The path we seek is murky in the extreme with endless distractions and false idols any one of which could dissuade us or mislead.  When there's only one door leading forward, even if the journey is taxing, it's a far cry from the bewildering obstacle of indecision.  

Hawk's scene with the bunny made me laugh (weeks later of course).  That is us.  We are sitting here thinking, 'Is it about Charlie....?   No.  It isn't about Charlie.'  (but is it?)  

To me it made the journey all the more realistic and beset with perils of distraction, all the more triumphant.  As well it lent to the overall atmosphere that we ourselves be plunged into confusion, counter-expectation, endless potential for theorizing and ultimately endless potential for finding our own answers.  The zombie girl who was late for dinner.  A throw-away character, or profound commentary?  Whichever we each prefer.    

 

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Posted : 11/06/2018 10:33 pm Lucas Bracci and Brandy Fisher liked
(@caemeron)
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I concur with Joseph's thought about the realism of it. In life we only ever get fragments. Each of us intersects with the stories of others only in a partial way. One never knows everything. And, so I spin this positively. We are free to imagine stories for the Roadhouse characters, and so on.

But, to the question at hand (Brandy's), I think this may be on the right track. The world of Part 18 seems to be our world. Valero gas station, the appearance of the RR, the fact that Mary Reber answers the door to her own house - it is almost like we are being hit over the head with it!

I resist tying this into a thought that the events of the series never happened in the diegetic world of the series, but I am totally onboard with it representing an exit from that world. I got into this a bit here: 

Untangling the Upended Ending: Where do Richard and Carrie exist?

It's possible that all of Twin Peaks has been the delusion of a guy named Richard, who more or less kidnaps Carrie Page because of his delusion, but we don't want to believe that; just as we'd prefer to think that BOB was driving Leland instead of it just being the evil that men do.

I've been moving in the direction of trying to think about the series more thematically, and with all of this I guess I read the message that life is indeed wonderful and strange, but one has to be open to that. Be like DougieCoop eating chocolate cake, or Candie waxing poetic about the traffic. 

So, if the thought is that 18 shows us a world without Twin Peaks, I want go broader: a world without art, without the space to dream, etc.

And I think they implicate us by pointing outside of the text: "how are you going to interpret this?" the show asks, but that asking may well get at a question as to how one thinks about life.

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Posted : 11/06/2018 11:08 pm Lucas Bracci liked
(@roberto_bella)
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That was my big beef when episode 18 aired. I felt the show had been entirely erased. It really bothered me. 

But from reading Final Dossier it seems the people of twin peaks live on though we don’t know all of the changes to their lives from the altered timeline. 

One could even choose to believe that somehow Coop figures everything out and escapes Odessa and the original timeline is restored, ending with the defeat of bob in the sheriffs station. It’s a stretch but it’s not an impossibility. 

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Posted : 11/06/2018 11:24 pm
(@caemeron)
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Posted by: Roberto Bella

That was my big beef when episode 18 aired. I felt the show had been entirely erased. It really bothered me. 

But from reading Final Dossier it seems the people of twin peaks live on though we don’t know all of the changes to their lives from the altered timeline. 

One could even choose to believe that somehow Coop figures everything out and escapes Odessa and the original timeline is restored, ending with the defeat of bob in the sheriffs station. It’s a stretch but it’s not an impossibility. 

I would insist that it all happened, but we have multiple timelines/realities at play. Either that, or it is all the delusion of this guy named Richard. To me, those are the two possibilities

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Posted : 11/06/2018 11:31 pm Joseph McMurty liked
(@dobbshead)
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I opine that timelines cannot be undone. Maybe we could hop aboard another though.  What happened is etched somewhere. 

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Posted : 12/06/2018 12:44 am
(@lucas_bracci)
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

But, to the question at hand (Brandy's), I think this may be on the right track. The world of Part 18 seems to be our world. Valero gas station, the appearance of the RR, the fact that Mary Reber answers the door to her own house - it is almost like we are being hit over the head with it!

And one more thing, there is this few seconds scene.

The camera follows Cooper's car and stays steady.

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Bendigo Boulevard and North Bend Way signs.

We are not in Twin Peaks, we are in North Bend WA.

(This sign and the other ones at this crossroad are ever out of frame in the original series or The Return).

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Posted : 12/06/2018 8:12 am Brandy Fisher, Micah Sam and Chris Flackett liked
(@b-randy)
Chief Moderator

The freaky twist that either debunks my theory or adds the link between two worlds is that Reber calls herself Tremond.

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Posted : 12/06/2018 9:41 am
(@lucas_bracci)
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

The freaky twist that either debunks my theory or adds the link between two worlds is that Reber calls herself Tremond.

One funny thing.

I was searching for a real Carrie Page in Odessa white pages.

Or in the California city where is the location of Carrie Page home.

And I've found a Carrie E Page in Bellevue, WA.

She was living before...in Everett, where is located the Palmer's house.

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Posted : 12/06/2018 1:18 pm Chris Flackett, Brandy Fisher and Ben Uhl liked
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

The freaky twist that either debunks my theory or adds the link between two worlds is that Reber calls herself Tremond.

One funny thing.

I was searching for a real Carrie Page in Odessa white pages.

Or in the California city where is the location of Carrie Page home.

And I've found a Carrie E Page in Bellevue, WA.

She was living before...in Everett, where is located the Palmer's house.

1528823886-Carrie.jpg

WHOAH! 🤤  😲 

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Posted : 12/06/2018 2:31 pm
(@dobbshead)
Roadhouse Regular

If you call her, or better yet stop by, please do ask, "Are you the dreamer?"

 

*Hold on; I suppose I'm the closest person to Bellvue, huh?  Guess it's gotta be me that stops by.   

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Posted : 12/06/2018 9:27 pm
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

If you call her, or better yet stop by, please do ask, "Are you the dreamer?"

 

*Hold on; I suppose I'm the closest person to Bellvue, huh?  Guess it's gotta be me that stops by.   

Are you sure about that?  😉 

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Posted : 12/06/2018 9:43 pm
(@dobbshead)
Roadhouse Regular

Well now, I thought you were more east, no?  I should know this.  I'm at about 70 minutes to Bellvue.  Many apologies if I erred. 

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Posted : 13/06/2018 1:49 am
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