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Joseph asked me a question about Diane's clothing changes but I can't for the life of me find the thread now.  So I'm going to answer here and I'm hoping you all will share your discoveries on how time seems a bit "jumbled" or strange or whatever in TP.

Diane's attire:

THere is a bit towards the end of the season, I don't recall which part, where she is sitting in the hotel bar having a drink.  She is wearing the same outfit she wore at the prison much earlier in the season.

I think some others did a lot of analyzing of her nail polish from scene to scene and I don't entirely remember what came of that.  Also, I don't remember at this moment what Diane was wearing when she got her tulpa-self shot and disappeared.  But I specifically remember the outfit with the red shirt because I mentioned it when it aired, that she must have made use of the hotel dry cleaner.

Were they in the South Dakota hotel the entire time of their public lodging escapade?

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 1:54 pm
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I feel like different things were discussed in different threads along the way. Trying to gather them all together here seems like a worthwhile project.

I'll start with Diane, since it seems that was the impetus. There is a lot of weirdness in the scene leading up to her being shot. Her bracelets change position from one shot to another. I do also recall someone noting something about her nail polish, but I can't remember the details off the top of my head. The big thing that I was focused on was how the timestamp changes on the : - ) ALL text message. This might be the most straightforward time inconsistency in the show. It is one time when she first gets it, another when she looks again and replies, and yet another when she looks again before getting shot. This seems like evidence that we are seeing three slightly different versions of the same series of events mushed together, though I suppose you might be able to interpret it in a different way.

Also, it seems like Mr C. has the coordinates from Diane before he sends that text, but also that she only sends them to him after he sends it. (and, btw, he has no signal when he sends it)

But then there is all of this other stuff. Wally Brando's birthday is impossible if he is the son Lucy was pregnant with in the original series in Feb (Brando's bday is in April). The patrons change positions at the end of Part 7. Big Ed's reflection as he eats soup at the end of whichever Part that is. Tammy says that Mr. C was heading west when he had his car crash, but the map we saw puts Yankton to the east of Buckhorn, where he presumably was. Miriam's last name is Hodges on the letter Chad steals, but Sullivan in the credits...

I'm sure there are more things that I am failing to think of right now. I was trying to stick to the show for the moment, but if we bring the books into it there is a lot more, to be sure.

Anyone have the all of the details about Diane's clothes, nail polish, etc? I might be about to try and search for the same thread Brandy said she couldn't find...

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 4:41 pm
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There is a lot about Diane here - the text messages and bracelets, anyway:  http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-16/430/paged/4/

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 4:53 pm
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The other big time issue that always stood out to me was the scene in the RR where Bobby is talking to (I believe) Norma and Ed about something that he is planning on doing, but it had already been done in a previous episode. It had to do with going to see his mom or something that had already happened in Part 9 with the message from him father.

Please forgive the shoddy recall, I stopped my re-watch at 9 and have not yet made it back to this part. (What part is that?!?!)

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 4:58 pm
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They go to see Betty in Part 9. Not sure which one has that scene in the RR. Not 10. Maybe 11?

I'm not sure that it is clear evidence of time inconsistency, or it didn't stand out to me as such, but it could be. Also, the order of events with Becky and Steven seems wonky. And, Jesse saying he was at Big Ed's when he meets up with Bobby outside the RR, and the scene where he asks Frank is he wants to see his new car... How does the timeline fit together?

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 5:19 pm
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Actually, that would be great if those tiny bits about Jesse actually are clues/indicators.  It would give his character some meaning.

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 5:26 pm
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He says he was at Big Ed's Gas Farm like it was a big deal. Maybe he wanted to tell Bobby about his new car, but realized it wasn't a good time?

He also says he heard shots, but I believe there was only one gun shot in that scene.

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 5:34 pm
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Not sure if these examples are time inconsistencies or glitches in the space/time continuum or what.....

Part 10 reminded me.

Remember when Tammy is walking up to Cole's hotel room door (right after Cole sees Laura) and there's that little glitch and something changes?  I found it in the 10 thread.  

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-10/coles-door-changing-with-tammy/

 

Something weird like happened when Mr. C shot Bill Hastings wife.

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 12:47 pm
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I've wondered about that seeming glitch more than once,   myself.     Perhaps it was Laura when she switched timelines,    warning Cole?      As you said,   it could also be tied to what happened to Phyllis,    and I've suspected it could even be linked to Tammy in some fashion.   I'm fairly certain it was deliberate,   so there is something to be discerned there,   for sure.

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 1:37 pm
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Part 12, Gordon & Albert first tell Tammy about Blue Rose and bring her into the fold.  Then they "deputize" Diane.  

Diane is wearing the red shirt and black skirt she was wearing at the prison. I didn't really notice the order of her bracelets since I have no idea how they were arranged prior to that scene. She receives a text "Las Vegas?" and responds "They haven't asked yet."

This is also the part I've been talking about where Diane is having her drink in the hotel bar wearing the red shirt.

This may be indication that this scene/occurrence happened either at a different time in the story-line or on a different timeline altogether. 

I'm starting to suspect that the entirety of Part 12  occurs out of sequence from the previous couple Parts.

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 2:11 pm
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Part 12, Diane is in the hotel bar again, this time wearing the outfit with the green sweater that she wore when they went to the area where they found Ruth's body and Hastings got skull-mashed by a woodsman. She was texting the coordinates that were found on Ruth's arm.

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 3:04 pm
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I'm starting to suspect that the entirety of Part 12  occurs out of sequence from the previous couple Parts.

Interesting hypothesis. The only time we see Cooper in Part 12 is when he is "playing catch" with Sonny Jim. As I recall, that doesn't fit into the timeline well in terms of his arc with the Mitchums. I'll have to watch it again to be more detailed.

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 5:18 pm
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Definitely watch it again and let me know what you think I think I might watch it again myself.

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 5:37 pm
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I have been doing the weekly rewatch and following the 25YL livetweeting (which I guess I am going to be doing for Part 10 in a few weeks, actually), so I will in all likelihood watch it again when I get there on that schedule. It's possible I might do it sooner, but I was thinking about how it fits with Parts 11 and 13 as well. What would be really interesting is if we could construct a linear timeline out of events that we find to be nonlinear in their presentation. I definitely recall having some thought about that with regard to the Buckhorn stuff before.

(The tweeting has been fun, btw. It's a weird experience for me to do anything else at all while watching Twin Peaks, but I've enjoyed the communal experience. If any of you all are on Twitter and interested, the livetweet occurs each Sunday night at 8pm from @25YLSite - Part 7 this week - and I am @caemeronCC if you want to follow me)

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 6:47 pm
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I filled both .but must confess that I'm not a big twitter person.

I wonder if we could piece together a timeline. There seem to best few indicators of beginning to end when it comes to the Buckhorn stuff.  But we could likely group things together where they seem to belong.

 

 
Posted : 16/06/2018 7:06 pm
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