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if this hasn't been discussed before:

I'm pretty darn sure that Chantal's favorite foods (the fast foods and processed/packaged cheetos, etc.) were meant to be like the evil version of the good and pure freshly prepared pies and coffee that Twin Peaks and classic Coop adore. There was even one scene when Chantal is disappointed there's no dessert and Hutch lovingly surprises her with one of those processed turnover "pie" things from McDonalds. 

I don't know what this really says other than that it adds to the humor of these two murderous characters from the underworld. Perhaps it is a nod to the postwar nuclear age not being so fine and dandy, while Dougie Cooper and Norma still stick with fresh, prewar foods?? Or it's just another "complaint" with technology??? In any case, I'd pose that Wendy's French Fries and Cheetos are the doppelgangers of Norma's cherry pie and coffee. 

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Posted : 13/10/2017 7:54 am cyndeewillow and buttercup liked
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As I recall, we talked about this a bit on our podcast when we covered Part 9 I think it was, when Chantal gave Mr. C a bag Cheetos (Drink Full and Descend, if you're interested). I would agree that this became even more emphasized as the show moved forward, though. Chantal is pretty much always eating Cheetos, up to the end when she is upset about being on the last bag.

Worth noting here is that the Cheeto is a puffed corn snack (processed corn - creamed corn - garmonbozia), and also at the pinnacle of modern food science. It has been engineered to have what they call "vanishing caloric density" - in other words, it tricks your body into thinking you haven't eaten, or eaten as much as you have, anyway. So you'll eat more Cheetos, etc. And the fast food, too. I would connect all of this to the convenience store; the very notion of a convenience store, even. Things packaged and canned and so on, and of course part of what moved us in that direction was the threat of the Bomb - things you can store in your bomb shelter.

Norma's dispute with Walter about the pie ingredients is then sort of a microcosm for the whole thing. 

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Posted : 13/10/2017 2:51 pm cyndeewillow, Caoimhín Shirey, Joseph McMurty and 1 people liked
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

As I recall, we talked about this a bit on our podcast when we covered Part 9 I think it was, when Chantal gave Mr. C a bag Cheetos (Drink Full and Descend, if you're interested). I would agree that this became even more emphasized as the show moved forward, though. Chantal is pretty much always eating Cheetos, up to the end when she is upset about being on the last bag.

Worth noting here is that the Cheeto is a puffed corn snack (processed corn - creamed corn - garmonbozia), and also at the pinnacle of modern food science. It has been engineered to have what they call "vanishing caloric density" - in other words, it tricks your body into thinking you haven't eaten, or eaten as much as you have, anyway. So you'll eat more Cheetos, etc. And the fast food, too. I would connect all of this to the convenience store; the very notion of a convenience store, even. Things packaged and canned and so on, and of course part of what moved us in that direction was the threat of the Bomb - things you can store in your bomb shelter.

Norma's dispute with Walter about the pie ingredients is then sort of a microcosm for the whole thing. 

Brilliant!! I still need to need to listen to your podcast.... I spend way too much time on NPR/politics. But yowza, even though I thought about the engineered aspect of cheetos (and that fastfood turnover), I hadn't thought of the corn aspect nor known of the vanishing caloric intake aspect (which might relate to unexpected physics of nuclear reactions). And I certainly hadn't connected this to the convenience store!

I doubt they ever planned on drawing such a web with the convenience store when they first had MIKE mention it years ago, but they really took the seed and built it up. It's like a symphony inspired by a two-bar phrase. 

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Posted : 13/10/2017 4:06 pm
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Yeah, I wonder about things like that. How much of an idea was there from the first reference to the convenience store, etc. No way to know. Lynch would probably just saying something about "catching ideas." I like your analogy of a symphony from a two bar phrase. 

Here is a (long) article about the food science stuff, if you're interested: 

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Posted : 14/10/2017 1:37 pm
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I wouldn't eat any of that garbage!  The junk food as a commentary on their nature is something I didn't think about.  I like it. 

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Posted : 14/10/2017 9:27 pm
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My roommate left an empty bag of cheetos in the kitchen garbage can. I nearly screamed at him, "By the laws of Twin Peaks, I will not allow this putrid garmonbozia in my house!!" But then I would have had to explain that Twin Peaks is my new religion, and things would've gotten very strange.

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Posted : 15/10/2017 11:47 am Jank Frones, Brandy Fisher and OctavioLemos liked
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Organic food seriously harms you and others around you.

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Posted : 15/10/2017 12:21 pm cyndeewillow, Caoimhín Shirey, Brandy Fisher and 1 people liked
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In the FWWM scene where Philip Gerard screams at Leland / Bob about stealing the corn, he refers to it as being canned. He also says something along the lines of "she wasn't happy when she found out" or something - which now sounds that he's referring to Judy, who's not happy that Bob took her Garmonbozia.

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Posted : 17/10/2017 4:03 pm
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Posted by: Anthony Marley

In the FWWM scene where Philip Gerard screams at Leland / Bob about stealing the corn, he refers to it as being canned. He also says something along the lines of "she wasn't happy when she found out" or something - which now sounds that he's referring to Judy, who's not happy that Bob took her Garmonbozia.

Here's the scene:

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Posted : 17/10/2017 6:15 pm
Lodger

Thanks. This is how it's written in the script:


				  GERARD
			You stole the corn.  I had it canned
			above the store.

	Leland is panicked.  The car is slowly screeching towards the large
	lumber truck in front of them.

				  GERARD
			    (shouting at Laura)
			Miss, the look on her face when it was
			opened.  There was a closeness.  Like
			the formica table top.
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Posted : 17/10/2017 6:21 pm Brandy Fisher and Caoimhín Shirey liked
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I also started wondering if he meant Judy in that scene in light of the Return. I think mentioned it somewhere and got no response. Maybe it was on Twitter...

Would be relevant, though, if Judy is mad at Bob. The other option that was always there in my mind was grandma Tremond/Chalfont. Her relation to all of this is also a really interesting question after part 18. In Fat Trout, Carl says there were two Chalfonts. 

The Formica tabletop also relates back to where we started, as an artificial material, etc

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Posted : 17/10/2017 7:02 pm
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Oh, and same intersection where Richard Horne ran down the kid, fwiw

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Posted : 17/10/2017 7:03 pm
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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

if this hasn't been discussed before:

I'm pretty darn sure that Chantal's favorite foods (the fast foods and processed/packaged cheetos, etc.) were meant to be like the evil version of the good and pure freshly prepared pies and coffee that Twin Peaks and classic Coop adore. There was even one scene when Chantal is disappointed there's no dessert and Hutch lovingly surprises her with one of those processed turnover "pie" things from McDonalds. 

I don't know what this really says other than that it adds to the humor of these two murderous characters from the underworld. Perhaps it is a nod to the postwar nuclear age not being so fine and dandy, while Dougie Cooper and Norma still stick with fresh, prewar foods?? Or it's just another "complaint" with technology??? In any case, I'd pose that Wendy's French Fries and Cheetos are the doppelgangers of Norma's cherry pie and coffee. 

This post makes me hungry.

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Posted : 17/10/2017 7:35 pm
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

I also started wondering if he meant Judy in that scene in light of the Return. I think mentioned it somewhere and got no response. Maybe it was on Twitter...

Would be relevant, though, if Judy is mad at Bob. The other option that was always there in my mind was grandma Tremond/Chalfont. Her relation to all of this is also a really interesting question after part 18. In Fat Trout, Carl says there were two Chalfonts. 

The Formica tabletop also relates back to where we started, as an artificial material, etc

Note the line "There was a closeness," and how the film ends: extreme close up of the Arm's mouth as he eats the corn, followed by extreme close-up of the monkey's face saying "Judy?"

In the special features of FWWM Sheryl Lee mentions hearing the crew trying to get a monkey to bounce on a trampoline. It seems obvious then that they wanted the monkey jumping around like The Jumping Man. It's interesting to consider when you think about the various connections between Sarah, the Jumping Man, and Judy in season 3.

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Posted : 17/10/2017 8:47 pm
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