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P.S.  The existence in our world of Annie-in-a-Caroline-dress also elucidates the process of subversion of gold seeds that I've mentioned in other posts.  If Annie is sending out an emissary, it makes no sense that she would dress it up as Caroline.  In all likelihood, Annie has never even seen that dress.  But if the Black Lodge were attempting to subvert or co-opt an emissary of Annie, it's reasonable to conclude that Annie-in-a-Caroline-dress would result, since this same tactic was already utilized during the contest with Dale.   I think the black crust seen around Dougie's gold seed is an imposition, not an essential component.  The Black and White Lodges are constantly trying to intercept and co-opt one another's messages and messengers.  I've already mentioned that I perceive the Garland/Rose corpse as one particular instance of this general trend.  There are many others.

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Posted : 13/07/2018 10:01 am
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You've always had the power:

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Posted : 13/07/2018 10:20 am
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Judy ~~ Kali?

as seen through a glass, darkly

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Posted : 13/07/2018 11:22 am
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Clue?

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Posted : 13/07/2018 11:23 am
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“The kings’ messengers” by Franz Kafka, 1917

They were given the choice of becoming kings or the kings’ messengers. As is the way with children, they all wanted to be messengers. That is why there are only messengers, racing through the world and, since there are no kings, calling out to each other the messages that have now become meaningless. They would gladly put an end to their miserable life, but they do not dare to do so because of their oath of loyalty.

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“The kings’ messengers” by Franz Kafka, 1917

They were given the choice of becoming kings or the kings’ messengers. As is the way with children, they all wanted to be messengers. That is why there are only messengers, racing through the world and, since there are no kings, calling out to each other the messages that have now become meaningless. They would gladly put an end to their miserable life, but they do not dare to do so because of their oath of loyalty.

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“The kings’ messengers” by Franz Kafka, 1917

They were given the choice of becoming kings or the kings’ messengers. As is the way with children, they all wanted to be messengers. That is why there are only messengers, racing through the world and, since there are no kings, calling out to each other the messages that have now become meaningless. They would gladly put an end to their miserable life, but they do not dare to do so because of their oath of loyalty.

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Posted : 13/07/2018 12:11 pm
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dude....you are like...blowing my mind rn

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Posted : 13/07/2018 12:24 pm Functional_Dougie liked
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The Annie-as-subverted-emissary theory also provides a satisfactory expanation as to why and how she's wearing the ring!  If Teresa, Laura, and Annie all escaped the Black Lodge's clutches, it can find some solace in (or, in a self-interested manner, devote extra resources to) getting the ring back into our world.  And would that also explain why/how Dougie has the ring?

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Posted : 13/07/2018 1:18 pm
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"Who is the dreamer?" 

"Who are you????????"

"Who killed Laura Palmer?"

Relevant Log Lady Intro:  

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Posted : 13/07/2018 10:09 pm
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Annie never made sense to me.  She seemed like an afterthought, or a hastily xeroxed 'love interest' because that's just what shows do.  She seemed like a tissue paper tether between Cooper and Windom that could plausibly get them in the Black Lodge together.  Am I way off base with her?  Is she enduring and important?  I guess she's the 25 year cliff hanger.  That's gotta count for something.

What does she represent?  Guilt?  A second chance to redo Caroline?  Lust?  Innocence or divinity - or fallen divinity?  If she represents love, well, it's an underwhelming romance.   

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Posted : 14/07/2018 1:24 am Brandy Fisher and KingDaddyDog liked
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Annie never made sense to me.  She seemed like an afterthought, or a hastily xeroxed 'love interest' because that's just what shows do.  She seemed like a tissue paper tether between Cooper and Windom that could plausibly get them in the Black Lodge together.  Am I way off base with her?  Is she enduring and important?  I guess she's the 25 year cliff hanger.  That's gotta count for something.

What does she represent?  Guilt?  A second chance to redo Caroline?  Lust?  Innocence or divinity - or fallen divinity?  If she represents love, well, it's an underwhelming romance.   

I think one's reception of Annie has a lot to do with viewing context.  When my friends and I watched Twin Peaks as a group (~15 years ago!), we were all delighted with her.  During my recent rewatch, I was much less enthusiastic about the Dale/Annie scenes.  The dialogue is a little clunky - most likely because compressed exposition doesn't blend well with that trademark Twin Peaks schmaltz. 

I think one reason we were on Team Annie is that we really loved Coop.  If you've got a single friend who's a little bit of an oddball, aren't you happy when he/shey/they finds a match?  Annie is perfect for Cooper because they're both pure of heart.

As for the importance of Annie, I think I made a pretty convincing argument above, but it's probably best if you re-watch the episodes and decide for yourself.  When I watch the end of Season 2, I see Annie as someone who a) handles the Black Lodge showdown better than Cooper and b) seeks out help for Cooper by finding a suitable medium (Sarah Palmer) through which to deliver an S.O.S. message.  The fact that she accomplished this without any of Cooper's training/abilities makes it all the more impressive.

I think it's just DEATH to interpret story elements in terms of the economics of production - like when people say that Mulholland Drive is some kind of hack job because it began as a television pilot.  Similarly, I think the question "What does Annie represent?" isn't going to get you anything useful. 

For example, I've seen some Twin Peaks interpretations that state, calmly and plainly, that the white horse represents death.  Well, if that were true, you could just replace that image with the word "DEATH" in big capital letters - you could even make them white letters for the sake of symmetry.  Would it have the same effect? 

I think it's much more fruitful to look at what a particular character or image does.  It's function that determines identity, not the other way around.  I believe whole-heartedly that Annie Blackburn is a structuring absence in The Return, and I'm just as surprised by the fact as anybody.

(Here's Annie in The Return lol): 

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Posted : 14/07/2018 1:58 pm
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Annie never made sense to me.  She seemed like an afterthought, or a hastily xeroxed 'love interest' because that's just what shows do.  She seemed like a tissue paper tether between Cooper and Windom that could plausibly get them in the Black Lodge together.  Am I way off base with her?  Is she enduring and important?  I guess she's the 25 year cliff hanger.  That's gotta count for something.

What does she represent?  Guilt?  A second chance to redo Caroline?  Lust?  Innocence or divinity - or fallen divinity?  If she represents love, well, it's an underwhelming romance.   

I could not agree more or said it better.

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Posted : 14/07/2018 4:06 pm Joseph McMurty liked
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"Laura is the One."

"What killed her is loss of blood - numerous shallow wounds, no single one serious enough to cause death."

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