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Carrie Page/the Arm's cousin  

(@caemeron)
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I have been thinking about how to put a few things together. The starting point would I guess be Cooper's dream from early season 1, where the Arm says, "She's my cousin. But doesn't she look almost exactly like Laura Palmer?" The scene ends with "Laura" whispering in Coop's ear, and this is what gets repeated at the very end of Part 18. Of course, there is difference in the repetition: no dancing man from another place, and Cooper's reaction seems to be of mild shock, etc. Also, the difference in her age (but not his - since he was in age makeup in that original scene)

In the behind the scenes footage - I think it was in one of the Beymer docs - Lynch cues Sheryl Lee, in the Red Room, as Carrie Page. 

So, this is a fragment of a thought at this point, but might it be fruitful to think about it being Carrie that the Arm refers to as his/its cousin? And, what do we make of, "I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back" at this point? Is it a reference to her murder, or perhaps to the Experiment in Part 8? And why does Jeffries tell Cooper he will find Judy?

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Posted : 19/01/2018 4:06 pm Grant Pettigrew, Chris Flackett, Julie Loader and 2 people liked
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

I have been thinking about how to put a few things together. The starting point would I guess be Cooper's dream from early season 1, where the Arm says, "She's my cousin. But doesn't she look almost exactly like Laura Palmer?" The scene ends with "Laura" whispering in Coop's ear, and this is what gets repeated at the very end of Part 18. Of course, there is difference in the repetition: no dancing man from another place, and Cooper's reaction seems to be of mild shock, etc. Also, the difference in her age (but not his - since he was in age makeup in that original scene)

In the behind the scenes footage - I think it was in one of the Beymer docs - Lynch cues Sheryl Lee, in the Red Room, as Carrie Page. 

So, this is a fragment of a thought at this point, but might it be fruitful to think about it being Carrie that the Arm refers to as his/its cousin? And, what do we make of, "I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back" at this point? Is it a reference to her murder, or perhaps to the Experiment in Part 8? And why does Jeffries tell Cooper he will find Judy?

I have wondered if the arms back was referencing Jesus on the cross. Bobby is seen in in season 2 staring at a depiction of Jesus and holding his arms back. It was before or after Lauras funeral. Laura seems to be angelic to Dido and Mike says he saw the face of God. ....

Very interesting that Lynch cued Sheryl as Carrie, I  hadn't heard about that! 

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Posted : 20/01/2018 12:47 pm
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

I have been thinking about how to put a few things together. The starting point would I guess be Cooper's dream from early season 1, where the Arm says, "She's my cousin. But doesn't she look almost exactly like Laura Palmer?" The scene ends with "Laura" whispering in Coop's ear, and this is what gets repeated at the very end of Part 18. Of course, there is difference in the repetition: no dancing man from another place, and Cooper's reaction seems to be of mild shock, etc. Also, the difference in her age (but not his - since he was in age makeup in that original scene)

 

I hadn't thought about it until your post, but if Coop's intervention in the past ultimately yields similar results (Coop still came to visit and still disappeared, Leiland still died - both according to the Final Dossier), then it could be argued time just gives a variation on the same or similar events. With that in mind, does the Laura whispering in Coop's ear scene in The Return take place after Coop's attempt to rescue Laura in the past, and therefore is time's variant on an already destined event - Laura whispering to Coop in the red room? Coop's actions wiped out the season one scene that previously existed in time, and replaces it with the one in The Return.

 

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Posted : 22/01/2018 9:59 am
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Posted by: Chris Flackett
Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

I have been thinking about how to put a few things together. The starting point would I guess be Cooper's dream from early season 1, where the Arm says, "She's my cousin. But doesn't she look almost exactly like Laura Palmer?" The scene ends with "Laura" whispering in Coop's ear, and this is what gets repeated at the very end of Part 18. Of course, there is difference in the repetition: no dancing man from another place, and Cooper's reaction seems to be of mild shock, etc. Also, the difference in her age (but not his - since he was in age makeup in that original scene)

 

I hadn't thought about it until your post, but if Coop's intervention in the past ultimately yields similar results (Coop still came to visit and still disappeared, Leiland still died - both according to the Final Dossier), then it could be argued time just gives a variation on the same or similar events. With that in mind, does the Laura whispering in Coop's ear scene in The Return take place after Coop's attempt to rescue Laura in the past, and therefore is time's variant on an already destined event - Laura whispering to Coop in the red room? Coop's actions wiped out the season one scene that previously existed in time, and replaces it with the one in The Return.

 

That's interesting. I guess I don't think, though, that what he did wiped out the season one scene, or even her murder in the reality in which she was murdered. I am basically thinking that we now have at least two realities at play, but the Lodge stuff is outside of normal reality and cuts across these multiple realities, or something like that.

One idea I have played with, then, is that she still whispers, "My father killed me" and Coop's reaction is to be explained by the fact that this version of him thinks that he stopped that from happening. 

Laura is dead, and yet she lives, and her I can see a certain kind of parallel with the Arm. An Arm can't live without a body, but it has this presence in the Lodge. So, I am thinking that in whichever version there is a Laura in the Lodge, or some aspect of her is there, or something like that.

The thing I struggle with the most, perhaps, though, is the Carrie Page thing. I guess, to try and fit that in, it would have to be the aspect of Laura trapped in the Lodge even in the Richard/Linda reality. 

I feel like I should have one more paragraph to tie things together, but it is at this point that my mind stutters...

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Posted : 23/01/2018 8:27 pm Chris Flackett liked
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What do we do with the scene where the evolution of the Arm asks, "Is this the story of the little girl who lived down the lane"?  How does that fit into the timeline(s) here?  In some ways, it feels like Coop's journey might be an endless journey and as we go through new iterations of the (eternal) journey, parts of the story shift or gets reshuffled.  In one version, Richard and Linda are residents in the new Fat Trout trailer park, in another, they are Dale and Diane, etc.  In one version of the journey, the story of the little girl who lives down the lane belongs to Audrey, but during a future iteration, the story belongs to Laura and Dale, and so on.  I've always been struck by how the Red Room scenes change with time, and the line from the Evolution of the Arm has always struck me as being significant in some way to understanding the narrative.  

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Posted : 29/01/2018 10:48 am
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Posted by: Aaron Cerny

What do we do with the scene where the evolution of the Arm asks, "Is this the story of the little girl who lived down the lane"?  How does that fit into the timeline(s) here?  In some ways, it feels like Coop's journey might be an endless journey and as we go through new iterations of the (eternal) journey, parts of the story shift or gets reshuffled.  In one version, Richard and Linda are residents in the new Fat Trout trailer park, in another, they are Dale and Diane, etc.  In one version of the journey, the story of the little girl who lives down the lane belongs to Audrey, but during a future iteration, the story belongs to Laura and Dale, and so on.  I've always been struck by how the Red Room scenes change with time, and the line from the Evolution of the Arm has always struck me as being significant in some way to understanding the narrative.  

I've thought about this as bolstering my thought that Audrey is stuck in a Lodge space of some kind. There is other evidence for this, such as "Audrey's Dance" being played backwards over the credits, etc.

I guess the full theory/interpretation would be that Cooper broke/fractured/splintered time when he went back to 1989 and kept Laura from being killed. So, there is the timeline where she was, and now one where she wasn't, and reality itself has been thrown out of joint. I think Audrey's situation in the Return shows us a cost of that - she's somehow been caught between two worlds, as it were. We get iterations of what amounts to the same scene about going to the Roadhouse to look for Billy. She wants to go, does not want to go, both wants to go and does not want to go... In the special features stuff, there is a point where she mentions to Lynch that she had her coat on in the previous scene, and he says something like, "this is a completely different time."

So, when the Arm says this line about the story of the little girl who lived down the lane to Cooper, I think it is to let Cooper know about this effect of his actions. Of course, it would not seem that Coop has the information to draw the connection that we can draw to Audrey at this point. But, recall how back in season one we got the line about the gum you like coming back into style, etc. This is something Cooper would hear later, and cause things to click. So, I take this line to be like that. 

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Posted : 01/02/2018 1:37 pm
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The line "is it the story of the little girl who lives down the lane, is it?"  Said by the EOTA and Audrey has got to be key but I still don't get it. Some say it's referring to Sarah in ep 8 but where is the proof?

And why does Charlie say he can end her story? Hmmmmm

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Posted : 01/02/2018 4:43 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader

The line "is it the story of the little girl who lives down the lane, is it?"  Said by the EOTA and Audrey has got to be key but I still don't get it. Some say it's referring to Sarah in ep 8 but where is the proof?

And why does Charlie say he can end her story? Hmmmmm

It just hit me like a 2 ton heavy thing...

Please see previous post elsewhere:

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-season-3-forum/the-arm-and-owls/

And then realize, if you are a telephone pole, every girl lives down the lane, except those that live up the lane...

Jack

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