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"Don't die"..? So there actually was a chance of good Cooper dying? Why?

And I'm beginning to get a bit frustrated. I think things are moving to slow in this new season. And the plotlines feels very scattered.

This episode is one I sure won't watch again.

https://youtu.be/NpYEJx7PkWE

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Posted : 11/06/2017 11:37 pm Ash Neuro liked

Same - will not be rewatching this one at all no thank you.   Diane, at the bar, was everything though.

ice pick guy was after coop, right???

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Posted : 11/06/2017 11:45 pm
Town Visitor

Didn't the One-armed Man say that since both the good and bad Coop are out, that one of them must die?

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Posted : 11/06/2017 11:49 pm
RR Diner Patron

Yes, but that "Don't die" line sounded just like Coop was dying that very moment.

https://youtu.be/NpYEJx7PkWE

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Posted : 11/06/2017 11:53 pm
Roadhouse Regular

Surely Albert's line at the rain, "F--k Gene Kelly" made the episode worth it haha

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Posted : 12/06/2017 12:07 am titwillo, Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan, Kim Frostlind and 3 people liked
Deputy

You have to PAY ATTENTION. Little guy with ice-pick is a hit-man. He received the pictures of his targets.
 The message from Mike to Coop is to wake up, he can avoid being a victim of the hit-man if he does.

Edited: 4 months  ago

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 12/06/2017 12:30 am titwillo, Pier Federico Miozzo, 5by5kevin and 4 people liked
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Posted by: Sammy Weir

Surely Albert's line at the rain, "F--k Gene Kelly" made the episode worth it haha

I agree 100% 😀 Albert never ceases to amaze me.

Many of my friends and familiars who liked the old show, non-surprisingly can't quite "get" this new series in general, except for one or two trusted Lynch devotees who I trade private messages and theories with each week on Messenger. Other people have told me I have fanboy glasses and that I'm viewing this new stuff through those glasses, and that I'm refusing to see one single flaw in it. (As I have already often called it Lynch's masterpiece only the first five episodes in.)

Well, this week's episode proved that I don't own a pair of these things called "fanboy glasses" at all. I actually despise that trending term anyway. If it's great, it's great. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad, it's bad. If it's disappointing, it's disappointing.

I think this week's episode was NOT bad, but extremely disappointing. We are now given one episode per week, so trying to hold on to the fact of this being a film rather than a series is getting really hard with almost complete one-hour slumps like this. I hear early reviewers praising this episode to the clouds, just for one single thing: the appearance of Diane. I am one of the people who never really cared to see this character in the flesh. I liked her mythical being, I liked having to guess if she really was a person or a figment of Cooper's overactive imagination, or something like that - you know what I'm talking about if you agree. In contrast, I love Laura Dern. I love the thought of her being in the show. We'll see where this goes - perhaps some really interesting place. That two-minute scene just wasn't worth praising an otherwise stale, lukewarm episode - although I must say, once again, Albert's Gene Kelly line was one of the best one-liners ever dropped in this show, or any other. It came so suddenly, and with force only Albert could deliver.

Richard - who, along with Deputy Chad, really should DIE at some point of this series, preferrably something really slow, painful and drawn out - driving over the kid was one fantastic scene. I dropped my donut, and almost my cup of coffee out of the pure shock. I knew it was going to happen as soon as I saw Carl and Richard's scenes intertwining, but I wasn't sure if it was the kid or the mother who'd get run down, and I sure as hell didn't expect such a graphic depiction of the whole incident. So powerful, so emotional, such great acting by the fabulous Harry Dean Stanton.

I love Dougie, I really do, but like I said in a review I wrote of last week's episode, this storyline has to end, soon. If it goes on for much longer, it at least shouldn't take up so much valuable screen time - in this episode, Dougie made close to NO progress, which has been quite fast and enjoyable up 'til this point.

Hawk's discovery of "what's missing" was perhaps the lamest possible conclusion to this episode, as well as to one of the great mysteries The Return has presented us this far. I don't care who planted those papers or what they are - probably the missing pages of Laura's diary, which is a great twist - but the discovery itself and the circumstances of it really bummed me out. Maybe I'll go scavenge hunting in my bathroom the next time I need to take a leak. Maybe I'll find buried treasure or something. After all, my toilet was built in my home country. Heritage, bro. Heritage.

Well, an 18-hour journey is bound to have hours' worth of slumps. I just didn't think a single episode would be a 90% slump in its entirety. Maybe it's just because I didn't sleep that well (the show airs at about 4:00 A.M. over here), maybe it's because I have to wait for a whole week for another episode, or maybe it simply was a bad clip; we'll find out of its importance once the entirety of the series has unfolded.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and out of the new characters, I liked Ike the Spike. Classic Lynch.

Edited: 4 months  ago

Harry, I really have to urinate.

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Posted : 12/06/2017 2:31 am
Lodger

Just to be a contrarian, I loved this part.

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Posted : 12/06/2017 2:38 am ella and Daria Kravtsova liked
Deputy

Diane was always a real person. Cooper asked her  to overnight a set of earplugs, and later on he is using them. They had originally considered having a scene with Diane in FWWM, but decided against it, and cuts had to be made anyway with things that HAD been filmed.

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 12/06/2017 2:38 am
Town Visitor

Loved that Harry Dean Stanton was back as Carl. Just a side note - the intersection with Richard Horne's hit-and-run was also the same intersection of Mike/Leland's screaming car scene from TPFWWM.

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Posted : 12/06/2017 2:44 am titwillo, Justin J Cobson, Lady in the Radiator and 1 people liked
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Posted by: Karen Paynter

Diane was always a real person. Cooper asked her  to overnight a set of earplugs, and later on he is using them. They had originally considered having a scene with Diane in FWWM, but decided against it, and cuts had to be made anyway with things that HAD been filmed.

I was mainly speaking of guesses by the more casual community, which I value greatly even if I know them to be wrong. I love reading even the crappiest theories, 'cause they may have some hidden points which lead to better theories. So, I knew Diane was real. I've read all the books - My Life, My Tapes at the forefront here - seen The Missing Pieces, all that, but I know many close people who haven't, OR haven't paid attention, and they still are under the impression that Diane is the name of Cooper's tape recorder, or even worse, a feminine alter ego of Cooper 😀 Simply ridiculous stuff, but in a way, cool - I just let them talk, I enjoy talking about Twin Peaks even if they're obviously not as much into the show. I let them have their theories and interpretations without messing with them too much.

For example, a very close person to me STILL thinks BOB is some kind of a simple drug-induced hallucination brought on by Laura's use of cocaine, even if this person's seen all of the series, and FWWM (I know, 'cause I was there). It's like this person's completely ignored everything ever said about spirits and the Black Lodge - 'cause she hates the supernatural. And still loved the original show. Go figure. You can learn a lot of things about people judging by the way they watch and interpret Twin Peaks, it's amazing.

My main point was that I never cared to see Diane. She could've remained the mythical character she always was. But this once more, I'll give her a chance, 'cause Laura Dern.

Harry, I really have to urinate.

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Posted : 12/06/2017 2:57 am
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Posted by: remlap arual

Loved that Harry Dean Stanton was back as Carl. Just a side note - the intersection with Richard Horne's hit-and-run was also the same intersection of Mike/Leland's screaming car scene from TPFWWM.

Good work.

Harry, I really have to urinate.

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Posted : 12/06/2017 2:58 am
Town Visitor

my thoughts:

  • Ike the Spike (the icepick killer) was working for Mr Todd based on the envelope his assignment came in.
  • ike the spike's first target was the lady who'd hired hitmen to kill evil coop.  2nd target is good coop.  based on this, Mr Todd is working for Evil Coop and evil coop is the "I hope you never have someone like him in your life"  
  • Diane's hair reminds me of Leland Palmer's hair.  there's probably no actual connection unless she had a run-in with evil coop sometime in the past 25 years (which could be why she is out of contact and has to be found at her favorite bar)

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Posted : 12/06/2017 8:31 am
RR Diner Patron

The drugged-out mother brief scene in this episode is exactly the same with the one in part 3. when she screams 0ne-one-nine, right? Go back and re-watch it! 

 

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Posted : 12/06/2017 12:31 pm
Lodger

I think we may be seeing the point of contention between Lynch and Showtime from two years ago that may have nearly caused The Return to implode.  At this point in his career I trust Lynch and while frustrating at times I'm willing to give him the time to develop the Dougie/Good Coop at his own pace since there has to be a huge payoff coming.  On the other hand Showtime has invested millions on the revival of a 25 year old cult series from another network.  I doubt they would have compromised and given Lynch the extra budget and 9+ more hours of airtime if the most marketable part of this revivial; Kyle Maclachlan returning as Dale Cooper, didn't actually occur.

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Posted : 12/06/2017 12:31 pm
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