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Judy/Sarah's strike across timelines. The spot on the infinity symbol.

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(@colinblackrock)
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Hi guys, I have some thoughts on Sarah and Judy. As always, if this post has been tackled elsewhere, forgive me, it's  hard to keep up.

So fundamentally, I'm thinking of Judy in terms of metaphor, rather than in the sci-fi  sense that a lot of people have approached it. When, in the previous series of Twin Peaks, we were presented with Bob as an incarnation of an evil which drives men to unspeakable cruelty, a cruelty that defies understanding, it was so much more interesting that when he's being presented as an entity with his own mythology and logic. When Bob is a real creature existing in our world, (almost like a bad X Files episode), it descends slightly into absurdity. Lynch/Frost as much as acknowledge this by making Bob's defeat absurd at the magic gloved hand of a preposterous character. Bob's power is at its height when he functions as an idea, not an entity.

This is how I want to talk about Judy, as a symbol.

Whereas Bob is the manifestation of some men's lust for carnage Judy is the manifestation of the pain and suffering of the survivors. And more accurately, Judy is the process whereby those who love the victims of abuse, come to despise those self same victims for the grief their loss has caused. 

We've seen Sarah's decline over the course of The Return. She's sitting, drunk and alone, reliving over and again images of violence. She's trapped in the orbit of grief following Laura's death. The more we see of her, the clearer we see that Sarah is all but destroyed. Her mind is cracked, she's talking to herself, paranoid, alcoholic, utterly fractured. We see that she herself has become psychotically violent, and that she's infected with a creature that will kill with ease and feel no remorse. She's no longer Sarah, and no longer on the side of the angels. 

An evil, greater than that that had infested Leland has infested Sarah, Sarah who, for all her faults, adored her daughter. And we see no clearer sign of that evil than when Hawk, our new Coop, pure of heart Hawk, comes to check on her. Rather than turn to him, she shields the entity within from the law. Sarah has turned. It's in our house now.

And this is what it's all been leading up to. Sickened with grief, filled with anger, Sarah finally turns on Laura. She takes the iconic image of Laura at her purest, and she hates it. She hates it for the pain the loss of her has brought, and for the guilt that's turned to gall, and she smashes the picture and she wishes Laura had never existed. This is Judy. Judy is love turned to hate and for Laura it means she can never go home. Home for Laura no longer exists.

This is Laura's fate. Through no fault of her own, she was abused by her father, and ultimately, because of that, despised by her mother.

That is why Judy is the Mother and that is why Judy is more powerful, (and for that reason, not chronological reasons, Judy shown giving birth to Bob,) than Bob. Whereas Bob feeds on the weakness of men, Judy feeds on love, she sours it and turns love into hate, purity into mire. 

Sarah's attack on the image of Laura is the spot on the Jeffries' infinity symbol. This is the act that is repeated across timelines and dimensions. Laura has been locked into a cycle. Her father's abuse has set her on a path that has no exit, because her mother's hatred means there's no home to return to. All she can do is move between the two forces back and forth. When Sarah/Judy smashes Laura's picture that is the moment that Laura is torn away, in the lodge, in the forest. That is the moment that Laura can no longer be saved, because there is nowhere to Return Laura to. So we see Laura/Carrie walk up to a home in which her mother literally doesn't exist. Redemption has been closed off to Laura. Her father raped her and her mother hates her for it. There's no safe haven.

But maybe there's a tiny glimmer of hope.

At the end Cooper seems to come to an awful realization. There's no Cooper, he's Richard. He's dragged some waitress he's probably seen in that diner before and dreamed she's Laura Palmer. He's dragged her across the country and he's coming to realize that she's not who he thought she was, she's just some woman and he's no FBI agent. He's waking up from a psychotic delusion, 'What year is this?' But no. 

Carrie/Laura may have the final triumph over Judy. Because even though Sarah's rejection of Laura has meant that Laura cannot go home, even in this dimension, Laura somehow manages to break out of the infinity loop of suffering she's been sentenced to. She hears her mother's voice, and it's a voice she cannot have heard in life, cannot have heard in the infinity loop Judy has set for her. It's her mother's voice, the first thing Sarah said to her daughter after Laura was dead. It's the voice she would have heard if that body wrapped in plastic never materialized, and Pete had merely gone fishing. Somehow, Laura has broken free of the loop. What that means, who knows?

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 6:12 am
(@chet_desmond)
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Well done.  Now I’m going to be thinking about this perspective all day.

 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 8:25 am
(@colinblackrock)
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Thanks, it's a long post and a bit of a slog, but I think on one level it adds up. But of course, there are so many levels. 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 8:57 am
(@mad-sweeney)
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I like it a lot. 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 9:18 am
(@buttercup)
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This is a very interesting take on the ending.  I don't usually comment on theories because I haven't made up my mind on anything, but this certainly makes me think. 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 9:21 am
(@waldolydeckerjr)
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I'm not following something. You say that Cooper is a delusional Richard who drags some waitress who he delusionally believes to be Laura Palmer from Odessa to Twin Peaks. Then in the next paragraph you say this waitress is really Laura Palmer hearing her mothers voice.

You say Richard is not really an FBI agent yet he manages to disarm three cowboys. You could say that this is a delusion (that would explain the three guns being deepfried instead of two) but then it becomes difficult what is delusional from what is not. 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 9:57 am
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Posted by: WaldoLydeckerJr

I'm not following something. You say that Cooper is a delusional Richard who drags some waitress who he delusionally believes to be Laura Palmer from Odessa to Twin Peaks. Then in the next paragraph you say this waitress is really Laura Palmer hearing her mothers voice.

You say Richard is not really an FBI agent yet he manages to disarm three cowboys. You could say that this is a delusion (that would explain the three guns being deepfried instead of two) but then it becomes difficult what is delusional from what is not. 

Yes, fair enough, the coop part of the ending I'm not backing strongly. I do feel that Laura though has been blocked from any hope of return to her home, to safety, because of Judy's annihilation of Sarah's love for her daughter. That is, I feel, an allegorical expression of an abuse victim's dilemma.

Regarding the Cooper section, it seems to me that at that very end point that he and Laura/Carrie are on two opposite trajectories. What we can say for certain is that when she hears the voice of Sarah, Carrie's life crashes into Laura's. Carrie is not just someone who looks like Laura, on some level she is Laura. 

The opposite seems, and I stress seems to be happening to Coop. When he wakes in the motel he has no recognition of Richard or Linda, despite having been told to remember them by the Fireman. So it seems at though the evidence is stacking all the time that this is Richard. He lives in a town Cooper doesn't live in, he drives a car Cooper doesn't drive. Carrie insists she isn't Laura, and the residents at her house have no idea who the Palmer's are. Everything is adding up to this life being Richard's and it seems that Coop is suddenly accepting this when Laura breaks through and sees the other life, her life as Laura. So Richard is not in fact delusional, there is a Cooper.

My guess is that guess is that when Sarah/Judy shut Laura out of home metaphorically, that it messed up Cooper's 25 year old plan to build a safe world for Laura to return to. There should have been some version of Sarah there to welcome them, but Judy took care of Sarah before that could happen. But I'm speculating wildly there.

I probably shouldn't have mentioned Cooper at all in that post as I only meant to talk about Sarah's succumbing to Judy in the form of unendurable, deforming grief and guilt. 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 10:50 am
(@cyndeewillow)
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I think your ideas are fascinating. You don't need to make everything add up to 10, the number of completion 😀

I think there's also the possibility of the center of the infinity symbol--where all the dreams and realities meet as one--and that at a certain point in the Return, these crossed. Maybe that is what happened when the bomb exploded in episode 8. It is an absolutely wonderful/absolutely terrible thing. 

At a certain point, probably when Cooper and Diane have sex, Cooper is Richard and Diane is Linda, and then they start to separate. On one side of the line, there is Cooper and Diane; on the other, there is Richard and Linda.

Different realities, different dreams, and a meeting in the center. 

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 1:50 am
(@julie_loader)
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I like the general idea, but Coop knows he is Coop at Carries' house and that he is an FBI agent. I've never believed he was Richard..... that name seemed to mean nothing to him.

Also, Carrie remembered that Leland was her father and Sarah was her mother. 

I don't understand why she didn't recognize Twin Peaks or her house though.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 3:58 am
(@b-randy)
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Wait Carrie remembered Leland and Sarah? I don't recall that at all.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 9:39 am
(@carnifex)
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Agreed.    If Carrie did remember that,    I don't recall her sharing her knowledge with Cooper or anyone else.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 10:01 am
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