JUDY ???? probably isn't the experiment AND many ?'s about Sarah + a Fireman bonus  

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Judging from how the Fireman was credited as ??????? until his reveal then if the experiment is JUDY wouldn't her credit have been ???? instead of "experiment? Or would that be too much of a giveaway?

It's all still very convoluted, if the experiment is supposed to be Judy then is she really in Sarah (and the glass box in NY) or is something else going on with Sarah?

Is the experiment an anthropomorph of the nuclear explosion test (experiment)?

I'm almost (but not fully) convinced that JUDY is in SARAH.

Feeding on the unlimited amount of her pain and sorrow

But I think Sarah is still Sarah a lot of the time much like Leland was often only Leland. She is Sarah in the bar with Truck You until her rage takes over.

When did JUDY enter SARAH?

It must have been after Leland died, because BOB would have then know JUDY and we know that MR. C doesn't know who JUDY is, Mr. C is with BOB so BOB and JUDY probably did not cohabitate the Palmer house.

FIREMAN......

It's already been proposed and widely accepted that the FIREMAN is Sam(son) Lanterman

The years don't really match up but we can stretch and scramble time in this world.

Lanterman, Lanternman Lantern=Fire, Fireman. at least 6'4, communicating to Margaret from The White Lodge through the log from the Douglas Fir where he died in a fire. It's too perfect to be any other way, and I'm sure Margaret has now joined him in the White Lodge, along with the head of her old friend, the Archivist. Hopefully she doesn't have to be in that cage.

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Posted : 06/10/2017 2:18 am Jocelyn Rowe, Deja Lee, Joseph McMurty and 1 people liked
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All good points. I'm not convinced that Judy is experiment is Sarah. 

Just to counter this comment:

When did JUDY enter SARAH?

It must have been after Leland died, because BOB would have then know JUDY and we know that MR. C doesn't know who JUDY is, Mr. C is with BOB so BOB and JUDY probably did not cohabitate the Palmer house.

I would argue that Mr C does know who Judy is - he just doesn't know the FBI codename. This is why Jeffries says "but you've already met Judy." To me this is telling that Judy is someone/something that Cooper or Mr C has previously met. They just don't know it. 

Whether it's the experiment, whatever is in Sarah or simply that Judy is the embodiment of all evil that dwells from within the darkness of all people, I have no idea. 

When the series ended, I was a bit irritated by the lack of concrete answers. But now I enjoy being left in confusion and discussing all the possible meanings 🙂

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Posted : 06/10/2017 2:33 am Richard Danks, Jocelyn Rowe, Deja Lee and 2 people liked
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Last time you wrote this:

I think the evidence comes from the secret history book. Have you read it?

And I asked for this evidences, because I read this book and I don't see them there. You didn't write nothing. Now you make new topic about the same.

Is it so hard to continue discussion about it there:

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/judysarahjosiemother-im-still-not-convinced/paged/2/

And answer the question, where you see these evidences in book ?

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Posted : 06/10/2017 3:48 am
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At this point, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Lynch and Frost didn't sketch out for certain who Judy is (kinda how it wasn't fully sketched out during the writing of FWWM). 

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Posted : 06/10/2017 4:29 am Richard Danks, Myn0k and Brandy Fisher liked
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Posted by: dopplearb

(...)

When did JUDY enter SARAH?

It must have been after Leland died, because BOB would have then know JUDY and we know that MR. C doesn't know who JUDY is, Mr. C is with BOB so BOB and JUDY probably did not cohabitate the Palmer house.

(...)

When Sarah is in the convenience store, she says something like "Something happened to me". I feel like this means Sarah is conscious that she got possessed.

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Posted : 06/10/2017 10:14 am Deja Lee liked
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Posted by: dopplearb

(...)

When did JUDY enter SARAH?

It must have been after Leland died, because BOB would have then know JUDY and we know that MR. C doesn't know who JUDY is, Mr. C is with BOB so BOB and JUDY probably did not cohabitate the Palmer house.

(...)

When Sarah is in the convenience store, she says something like "Something happened to me". I feel like this means Sarah is conscious that she got possessed.

Huh, I just assumed she was referring to all of her family tragedies, but you're right I think there is more going on in this scene than originally noticed. I'm going to have to go look for clues in the beef jerky.

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Posted : 06/10/2017 12:28 pm Deja Lee and Myn0k liked
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Posted by: Renata Stachowiak

Last time you wrote this:

I think the evidence comes from the secret history book. Have you read it?

And I asked for this evidences, because I read this book and I don't see them there. You didn't write nothing. Now you make new topic about the same.

Is it so hard to continue discussion about it there:

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/judysarahjosiemother-im-still-not-convinced/paged/2/

And answer the question, where you see these evidences in book ?

Sorry.

I listened to it as an audio book and therefore it's really hard to go back and find certain passages to post

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Posted : 06/10/2017 12:29 pm Myn0k liked
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All good points. I'm not convinced that Judy is experiment is Sarah. 

Just to counter this comment:

When did JUDY enter SARAH?

It must have been after Leland died, because BOB would have then know JUDY and we know that MR. C doesn't know who JUDY is, Mr. C is with BOB so BOB and JUDY probably did not cohabitate the Palmer house.

I would argue that Mr C does know who Judy is - he just doesn't know the FBI codename. This is why Jeffries says "but you've already met Judy." To me this is telling that Judy is someone/something that Cooper or Mr C has previously met. They just don't know it. 

Whether it's the experiment, whatever is in Sarah or simply that Judy is the embodiment of all evil that dwells from within the darkness of all people, I have no idea. 

When the series ended, I was a bit irritated by the lack of concrete answers. But now I enjoy being left in confusion and discussing all the possible meanings 🙂

Eureka! He knows her as Jao Dé (or whatever spelling). Got it, this hadn't even occurred to me but of course. It seems clear enough that the coordinates he wants are to get to Judy (in the Palmer house) so I couldn't figure out how he didn't know who she was. Another piece of the puzzle is in place....

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Posted : 06/10/2017 1:38 pm Myn0k liked
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Just to keep questioning what Mr C was really looking for...

Is it possible that the coordinates were not for Sarah, but to find Laura, so that BOB could finally inhabit Laura? I think I believe this more than finding Judy. 

Then again, who knows 😀

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Posted : 06/10/2017 3:02 pm
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Either way- I feel like Sarah's continuous drinking was more a way of sedating whatever "it" is inside her. It's not just your typical alcoholic grief spiral, eps. when it's been 25 years! But Judy, IMO is not even meant to be a singular "being" but more an amorphous negative energy. In that sense it could show up in multiple places.

It seems to me that there must be some sort of network of portals or entry points throughout the Twin Peaks world. The box in NY, the Palmer's house, the woods outside the town and any number of other points. This is picked up in some detail in the Secret History of TP. In it there is even another glass box type of room down in Florida. A very similar creepy scene is described (dating back to the early 70's), made that much more bizarre because President Nixon  has been made aware of it at the time.

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Posted : 06/10/2017 10:38 pm dopplearb liked
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Posted by: Doug Bowker

Either way- I feel like Sarah's continuous drinking was more a way of sedating whatever "it" is inside her. It's not just your typical alcoholic grief spiral, eps. when it's been 25 years! But Judy, IMO is not even meant to be a singular "being" but more an amorphous negative energy. In that sense it could show up in multiple places.

someone get her a haloperidol prescription!

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Posted : 06/10/2017 10:49 pm
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Posted by: Doug Bowker

Either way- I feel like Sarah's continuous drinking was more a way of sedating whatever "it" is inside her. It's not just your typical alcoholic grief spiral, eps. when it's been 25 years! But Judy, IMO is not even meant to be a singular "being" but more an amorphous negative energy. In that sense it could show up in multiple places.

It seems to me that there must be some sort of network of portals or entry points throughout the Twin Peaks world. The box in NY, the Palmer's house, the woods outside the town and any number of other points. This is picked up in some detail in the Secret History of TP. In it there is even another glass box type of room down in Florida. A very similar creepy scene is described (dating back to the early 70's), made that much more bizarre because President Nixon  has been made aware of it at the time.

All things in Secret History doesn't proof this big entity in ep8 live in Sarah or is in experiment box. There are only similarities and because of that it is not proof. We see in ep8 that something big flying somewhere raises her childrens. Hundreds of them. There is no proof that this big being is later shown in another scenes. Because childrens are always similiar to parents. So when I read that something similiar is in experiment box it is not any proof to anything. Any child born from this egg can look similiar to her mother. And as you wrote from book about other similiar glass box, there could be shown another child born from egg. I see no reason for mother to come to Earth personally when she is able to produce hundreds of eggs. I think that's what we even see. There is an occasion to come to Earth because of nuclear test. And what ? Nothing. This big thing decides to send childs, why ? That was it, no sense to send childs, just she could come herself. Later was dozens nuclear tests, a lot of occasions. And now several decades later, she come to live in Sarah and is attracted because two people have sex...

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