Audrey's Psychosis  

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And another thing...

Dial phones work just fine on just about any network with copper still in use.  They don't play well with other devices in the same loop, though, so you can say goodbye to all your extensions, modems, routers and so on, unless you adapt the dial phone to a modern output.

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Posted : 09/08/2017 11:05 pm Karen liked
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 I'm sceptical about Audrey being in the past or a coma.

What about Billy? He seems to be a real person. Audrey has seen him bleeding in a dream. All the information fits with what we have seen - his truck was stolen and he failed to turn up to his meeting. People in the real world are looking for him. (Ominous door suggests he's dead). If Audrey is trapped - can't even get to the roadhouse without help - how is she having an affair with this guy? And why with such a lowlife? 

 

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Posted : 10/08/2017 2:12 am

There was a line from part 12 that seemed very out of context & odd when I first saw the scene. 

When Hawk checks on Sarah she says "It's a goddamn bad story, isn't it Hawk?" Her voice even changes & it doesn't seem to be a response to anything he said.

Now that I've seen part 13 it's even creepier. 

Has anyone else thought this comment might somehow be related to Audrey's situation?

 

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Posted : 10/08/2017 2:45 am Myn0k liked
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 I'm sceptical about Audrey being in the past or a coma.

What about Billy? He seems to be a real person. Audrey has seen him bleeding in a dream. All the information fits with what we have seen - his truck was stolen and he failed to turn up to his meeting. People in the real world are looking for him. (Ominous door suggests he's dead). If Audrey is trapped - can't even get to the roadhouse without help - how is she having an affair with this guy? And why with such a lowlife? 

 

This is exactly why I can't land on a decision about what's going on with Audrey.  But all of her lines from this episode sound so much like someone stuck in a dream!  Like trying to run but you just go slower, that kind of thing.  She keeps trying to leave a place she can't leave.

But what about Billy!  Auugh my braaain.  Also why, in the last episode, is Charlie just like, "I want to find Billy too!"  What is going on in this triangle anyway??

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Posted : 10/08/2017 3:18 am
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Maybe it's not even Audrey's coma, dream or psychosis. Maybe Audrey is long gone and someone else is dreaming about her. Unlikely, perhaps, but then so, it seems, are all the other theories when you think them through.

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Posted : 10/08/2017 3:48 am The conversation is lively liked
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The lack of movement that we see in both these characters is odd.  Charlie is always seated and doesn't use non-verbal gestures.  Audrey did sit down in EP13, but when we see her reflection it is still.  They're both somewhat frozen in this reality that comes from stories.  The 1940's style furnishings indicate that as well.  Charlie does seem like he could be a lodge entity.  If that is true, what brought him to Audrey?   How did Audrey get there?  Perhaps these scenes signal her awakening due to the forces behind the strange events happening in Twin Peaks.   

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Posted : 10/08/2017 9:55 am
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Something I've been thinking about for a long time (I mean, like, for decades at this point): Jeffries has that line in FWWM where he says "We live inside a dream."

It made me think that, while the realm of dream in Twin Peaks (e.g., Coops dreams in the original run) have been an avenue to suss out things happening in the "real" world . . .what if, in fact, what he's accessed is actually the "real" world. And, while we always think of these odd characters of the Lodges (the Giant, the LMFAP, etc.) as in some fantastical realm, they are in the fact "real" and the world of Twin Peaks is, actually, the dream that these characters are having. Like, in whatever realm they exist, they are actually dreaming of of our world, and our world only exists because of their dreams. 

I actually remember hearing about a native american tribe that believed this to be true. I.E., that the world of dreams was the true world - and that if you died in your dreams, you had actually died - and you were sort of a ghost roaming through this dream world. 

Anyway - it falls apart a bit in the context of S3 - in the original run, things were so claustrophobic and all the action (for the most part) takes place ONLY in Twin Peaks and the surrounding areas - so it would've been a lot easier to make the argument that this was true. 

Still, might be something there - if so, they Audrey is one dream or "story" that's being dreamt by the beings from another place . . . 

 

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Posted : 10/08/2017 12:42 pm Caoimhín Shirey, Myn0k, 1stDragonarse and 1 people liked
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Hopefully some of the dream related questions will be explored in the next episode. It's called "We are like the dreamer" so at least we know somebody says that line.

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Posted : 10/08/2017 1:12 pm buttercup and Myn0k liked
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Something I've been thinking about for a long time (I mean, like, for decades at this point): Jeffries has that line in FWWM where he says "We live inside a dream."

It made me think that, while the realm of dream in Twin Peaks (e.g., Coops dreams in the original run) have been an avenue to suss out things happening in the "real" world . . .what if, in fact, what he's accessed is actually the "real" world. And, while we always think of these odd characters of the Lodges (the Giant, the LMFAP, etc.) as in some fantastical realm, they are in the fact "real" and the world of Twin Peaks is, actually, the dream that these characters are having. Like, in whatever realm they exist, they are actually dreaming of of our world, and our world only exists because of their dreams. 

I actually remember hearing about a native american tribe that believed this to be true. I.E., that the world of dreams was the true world - and that if you died in your dreams, you had actually died - and you were sort of a ghost roaming through this dream world. 

Anyway - it falls apart a bit in the context of S3 - in the original run, things were so claustrophobic and all the action (for the most part) takes place ONLY in Twin Peaks and the surrounding areas - so it would've been a lot easier to make the argument that this was true. 

Still, might be something there - if so, they Audrey is one dream or "story" that's being dreamt by the beings from another place . . . 

 

That would be quite a trip, if true.

It reminds me of something I read recently about Google Brain, which is an AI project. They feed Google Brain raw imagery from life and GB extrapolates, creating new surreal non-existent landscapes and creatures / animals from the data. In essence, It Dreams. I imagine god (if one exists) a bit like this - a massively intelligent, mathematically brilliant, but also creatively-inspired entity which dreams its ideas into life. Creativity is its primary purpose. So, for a Twin Peaks plot, why not?

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Posted : 10/08/2017 4:01 pm Myn0k and 1stDragonarse liked
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I have a new Audrey theory. Audrey is Linda. Or trapped within Linda. That would explain why we haven't actually seen Linda yet, why the Giant connects "Richard and Linda", and why Audrey says she doesn't feel like herself. Audrey can't go to the Roadhouse alone because Linda is in a wheelchair. Perhaps Linda's boyfriend/husband/son Mickey is possessed by Charlie, or Charlie is a Lodge Spirit who is keeping Audrey in check within Linda. They live in the trailer park just like Ms. Tremond/Chalfont and her grandson did in FWWM. Tina, Billy, etc are all people Linda knows from around town, thus Audrey knows or thinks she knows them because her memories are intertwined with Linda's. If Charlie were to let her leave the house to go look for Billy, maybe that would be like allowing her to escape from Linda's body. She's being held prisoner by forces of the Black Lodge or Mister C for some purpose concerning Richard.

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Posted : 11/08/2017 2:55 am Myn0k, Caoimhín Shirey, Jocelyn Rowe and 1 people liked
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Perhaps Coop will snap Audrey out of her problem after he is himself again.

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Posted : 11/08/2017 4:40 am
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Posted by: Ryan Green

I have a new Audrey theory. Audrey is Linda. Or trapped within Linda. That would explain why we haven't actually seen Linda yet, why the Giant connects "Richard and Linda", and why Audrey says she doesn't feel like herself. Audrey can't go to the Roadhouse alone because Linda is in a wheelchair. Perhaps Linda's boyfriend/husband/son Mickey is possessed by Charlie, or Charlie is a Lodge Spirit who is keeping Audrey in check within Linda. They live in the trailer park just like Ms. Tremond/Chalfont and her grandson did in FWWM. Tina, Billy, etc are all people Linda knows from around town, thus Audrey knows or thinks she knows them because her memories are intertwined with Linda's. If Charlie were to let her leave the house to go look for Billy, maybe that would be like allowing her to escape from Linda's body. She's being held prisoner by forces of the Black Lodge or Mister C for some purpose concerning Richard.

I really like the idea of Audrey trapped in Linda's body. How? No idea? What does it mean?  No idea. But it's so crazy I see that as a next step in Lynch bringing the crazy. 

I almost picture Linda mumbling in her trailer about Charlie and maybe even Cooper. Repeating lines we've already heard Audrey say to Charlie.  

 

Will this be the case?  Probably not. But one can dream. 

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Posted : 11/08/2017 11:44 am Myn0k and Roberto Bella liked
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I think this is what Audrey was talking about.  She just needed a beer.

 

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Posted : 12/08/2017 10:58 pm Jocelyn Rowe, 1stDragonarse, dude and 3 people liked
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@Klynched: Yes yes yes, re: Jodie Foster! 

Notice in the last scene of The Return series (pt. 18) when Cooper and Carrie approach the Palmer home.  Alice Tremond's hair color and style are exactly the same as Jodie Foster's in "Little Girl Down the Lane."  Alice even speaks to a man off to the side, as Jodie would do, without seeing an actual man present. 

Strange that so late at night, of the two who would answer the door, the man chose not to answer.  Imagine Jodie 30 years later from 1976: she would be 43 and Alice looks at least 43.  The last vision we had of a woman answering the door at the home was when Hawk approached the door and spoke with Sarah as rumbling and other strange noises could be heard from the kitchen.  An inherent evil (The Experiment) has lived in that home forever and caught up to Sarah, perhaps has been within her the whole time. 

I think my question is, is that Alice Tremond Cooper the young version of the Mrs. Tremond in the trailer park?  And is the man off to the side answering Cooper's a "husband" or is it her grandson with the white mask?  We see the white mask with long white nose as Cooper and Gerard walk up the stairs.  Perhaps the same stairs as the Palmer home?  Could the Black Lodge be the Palmer home?

Did Carrie Page serve a role as Dougie Jones did, hear the "Laura" call and destroy the Black Lodge with her scream to put an end to The Experiment/Judy?  Poor Cooper thought he was defeated and wrong, only to find out, he was right and the plan worked.

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