Hastings/Gordon Portal Theory  

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Just a note Mike didn't stop Coop from going to the Mitchums he led him to the pastry shop in the courtyard which is where he got the cherry pie. When Mike vanishes you can see the glass pastry counter. 

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Posted : 24/07/2017 10:38 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

Could be.  It's a very similar sea, after all.  if the Giant really is God - then the phrase "My House has many rooms" would be the literal truth.

But, being God, why does he watch events in that old fleapit movie theatre?  You'd think he'd have a huge 4k monitor with Dolby surround.

I mean, there's retro and there's being plain silly.

Bet there's no popcorn, either.

What are you talking about, his theater has a golden horn that can put a bubble from his house into actual space.  That is the 3est 3d ever.  4d screen in fact.  Can your Dolby do that?  I THINK NOT.

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Posted : 24/07/2017 10:48 pm Caoimhín Shirey, SamXTherapy and Lynn Watson liked
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The only one to enter the white lodge was Briggs. 

 

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Posted : 24/07/2017 11:23 pm
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Posted by: Christen Phillips
Posted by: SamXTherapy

Could be.  It's a very similar sea, after all.  if the Giant really is God - then the phrase "My House has many rooms" would be the literal truth.

But, being God, why does he watch events in that old fleapit movie theatre?  You'd think he'd have a huge 4k monitor with Dolby surround.

I mean, there's retro and there's being plain silly.

Bet there's no popcorn, either.

What are you talking about, his theater has a golden horn that can put a bubble from his house into actual space.  That is the 3est 3d ever.  4d screen in fact.  Can your Dolby do that?  I THINK NOT.

Quite so.  I stand corrected.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 25/07/2017 7:06 am
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I don't think that was the portal to the white lodge.  Too ominous - that vortext seemed to be sucking parts of the Earth into it.  Also the location just feels wrong.  The white lodge you would picture being in some grove or dell with prancing fawns and singing birds, not some bombed out looking homeless camp.  If anything, I think it's black lodge related, or connected to the "magicians".  Gordon showed no fear, so he wasn't consumed/destroyed by it.  Hastings was terrified, so he gets destroyed.  We can only imagine Ruth was similarly disturbed by and unprepared for what they encountered.  

 

I also don't think the giant is "God" necessarily.   Allowing for the presence of angels (as we've seen them in the shows/films), I think the Giant is more of a balancing force.  Mike said something about Bob "breaking the thread" in FWWM and that suggests he's done something to upset the balance connecting our worlds. I still think that is at the core of all of this.  

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Posted : 25/07/2017 7:48 am Roberto Bella liked
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I'm definitely in the camp that thinks Gordon Cole was seeing the white lodge, and the woodsmen are there because "they are in our house now". It doesn't have to be a location of birds singing, fawns prancing as neither the black lodge has to be surrounded by evil imagery, it's just a hole in the ground. 

The whole "in our house now" has caused to me wonder if Mrs. Tremond was in the black lodge as a white lodge presence. The grandson was a magician who made the creamed corn disappear, and the painting she gave to Laura would make her seem to be some sort of guardian angel. I bring this up only because in the Gordon Cole scene, the flowery wallpaper is in the room/staircase where he sees the woodsmen. In my mind, for whatever reason, Mrs. Tremond was attempting to guide Laura into the white lodge. The wallpaper in this scene is key to what this location actually is, that Gordon Cole saw, and I definitely do not see the black lodge as having that flowery wallpaper. 

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Posted : 25/07/2017 8:25 am
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Posted by: Ethel Sachs

I'm definitely in the camp that thinks Gordon Cole was seeing the white lodge, and the woodsmen are there because "they are in our house now". It doesn't have to be a location of birds singing, fawns prancing as neither the black lodge has to be surrounded by evil imagery, it's just a hole in the ground. 

The whole "in our house now" has caused to me wonder if Mrs. Tremond was in the black lodge as a white lodge presence. The grandson was a magician who made the creamed corn disappear, and the painting she gave to Laura would make her seem to be some sort of guardian angel. I bring this up only because in the Gordon Cole scene, the flowery wallpaper is in the room/staircase where he sees the woodsmen. In my mind, for whatever reason, Mrs. Tremond was attempting to guide Laura into the white lodge. The wallpaper in this scene is key to what this location actually is, that Gordon Cole saw, and I definitely do not see the black lodge as having that flowery wallpaper. 

Mrs. Tremond's grandson also tells the black lodge folks to "fell a victim", which doesn't seem very white lodgey. 

And look, we've never definitively seen the white lodge, but from it's description it sure sounded like a happy, forest glen, and not some abandoned shelter filled with homeless bums descending a rickety old staircase.  

It may not have to be Bambi's grove, but it better have stronger architectural appeal than the mauve zone and the waiting room.  Otherwise they really need to fire their interior decorator.  

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Posted : 25/07/2017 8:48 am
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Posted by: kdawg68

 

And look, we've never definitively seen the white lodge, but from it's description it sure sounded like a happy, forest glen, and not some abandoned shelter filled with homeless bums descending a rickety old staircase.  

It may not have to be Bambi's grove, but it better have stronger architectural appeal than the mauve zone and the waiting room.  Otherwise they really need to fire their interior decorator.  

For me it links to episode 8. That was surely the White Lodge with the giant and lady, when/where Laura was created.

This week I'm certain Cole saw the Black Lodge. That's where the Woodsmen came from to assist Bob-bug, and Sunday's Woodsman did exactly the same to Hastings as 'Got A Light?' did to some heads.

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Posted : 25/07/2017 9:08 am
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Posted by: kdawg68

I also don't think the giant is "God" necessarily.   Allowing for the presence of angels (as we've seen them in the shows/films), I think the Giant is more of a balancing force.  Mike said something about Bob "breaking the thread" in FWWM and that suggests he's done something to upset the balance connecting our worlds. I still think that is at the core of all of this.  

He is credited at times as "The Fireman." A fireman's job is to maintain and regulate the fire in the furnace powering steam engines. Therefore, I agree.

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Posted : 25/07/2017 9:19 am Lynn Watson, Roberto Bella and Myn0k liked
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Posted by: matthew_rose7

I agree with the theory that the portal Gordon saw was to the White Lodge. ..it's concerning that the woodsmen could be seen in it. 

hmmm-doesn't the presence of The Woodsmen indicate it couldn't be the White Lodge? I see a number of people here think Cole saw the White Lodge, but that hadn't even occurred to me. Cole and team were at the location where the whole horrific scene that Hastings described took place. Ruth Davenport and Major Briggs were killed there, Hastings experienced a traumatic event and apparently saw Woodsmen at that time, since he recognized one instantly in this episode. --

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Posted : 25/07/2017 9:24 am
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My reasons for thinking Gordon was seeing the white lodge:

1. The Giant saying "they're in our house now". Implying the black lodge spirits have access to the white lodge.

2. The vortex in the sky that Gordon saw was a mixture of white and black. 

It doesn't necessarily mean that the stairwell is the white lodge itself, in fact it may only be an entry-way, a waiting room, a portal of some sort. Hastings already said he saw Garland Briggs here, and then we have a body that is supposedly the body of Garland Briggs. I would think the black lodge "in our house now" at the white lodge would be a threat to Garland Briggs, hence his most recent "death".

 

 

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Posted : 25/07/2017 9:43 am
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Posted by: kdawg68
Posted by: Ethel Sachs

I'm definitely in the camp that thinks Gordon Cole was seeing the white lodge, and the woodsmen are there because "they are in our house now". It doesn't have to be a location of birds singing, fawns prancing as neither the black lodge has to be surrounded by evil imagery, it's just a hole in the ground. 

The whole "in our house now" has caused to me wonder if Mrs. Tremond was in the black lodge as a white lodge presence. The grandson was a magician who made the creamed corn disappear, and the painting she gave to Laura would make her seem to be some sort of guardian angel. I bring this up only because in the Gordon Cole scene, the flowery wallpaper is in the room/staircase where he sees the woodsmen. In my mind, for whatever reason, Mrs. Tremond was attempting to guide Laura into the white lodge. The wallpaper in this scene is key to what this location actually is, that Gordon Cole saw, and I definitely do not see the black lodge as having that flowery wallpaper. 

Mrs. Tremond's grandson also tells the black lodge folks to "fell a victim", which doesn't seem very white lodgey. 

 

I think you and I have very different takes on what he meant by "fell a victim". I always viewed that line as an observation. He's not telling them "to" "fell a victim", he's saying that Bob is there because he fell a victim to evil.   

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Posted : 25/07/2017 9:48 am
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At the site, Gordon says 'Do you think there's one in there Albert?' 

I think the 'one' refers to a portal. 

He also refers to the Woodsman he and Albert saw as 'it' not 'he'. 

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Posted : 12/08/2017 2:02 pm JeffreyGWillett and Myn0k liked
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I think we've yet to see the black lodge. 

Unless we're assuming the red room is the black lodge, it doesn't seem too scary or evil to me. 

I always considered the red room to be an in between / limbo between the black/white lodges and the physical world. A go between for spirits between their existence and ours. 

I suspect Cole saw into one portal but we didn't see black/white/red - just a doorway. 

I think the series is moving away from good spirit world, bad spirit world, and physical reality. It's moving IMO to a much more multidimensional universe in which there are different frequencies of existence. 

"We are like the dreamer" - could suggest all existence is but a virtual one. There are many dreams, many worlds. 

Just my theory. Could be bollocks!

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Posted : 12/08/2017 2:16 pm
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Posted by: Steve Moss

At the site, Gordon says 'Do you think there's one in there Albert?' 

I think the 'one' refers to a portal. 

He also refers to the Woodsman he and Albert saw as 'it' not 'he'. 

Yes, I definitely read that scene as him referring to a portal. I can't see what else he would have been referring to. There are many portals and the blue rose team catalogue them. 

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Posted : 12/08/2017 2:18 pm
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